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Set mining in MTTs

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  1. TipsyToker TipsyToker is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2009 (6/8/2009 2:44am)

    just wondering how many bbs you need before you start set mining. i realize alot of other variables matter like opponents stack size, position, etc, but how many bbs do u consider it a spew to invest chips into a pot with the intentions of folding on most boards post flop if you miss. im talking about stardard spots where you're facing a preflop raise probably in late position somewhere, and also have alot of value to gain if you hit. Also why that number if u dont mind
  2. feltmelter feltmelter is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2009 (6/8/2009 3:51am) in reply to TipsyToker

    most of the time I want to be able to get a 10:1 return on the call
  3. Deoxyribo Deoxyribo is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2009 (6/8/2009 3:53am) in reply to feltmelter

     
    Originally Posted by feltmelter View Post

    most of the time I like to be gettin ATLEAST 10:1

     
  4. Chazley Chazley is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2009 (6/8/2009 4:10am) in reply to TipsyToker

    Set mining depends on who you are playing against. You need to know the skill level of your opponent first. If you know you will get paid off against a fish, you want to make sure that both you and your opponent have at least 15x the stacks that his bet is.

    Example:

    Villain fish raises to 60 UtG +3 with 1500 behind, folds to hero on button, who has 1500 in chips.

    Hero flat calls in position with pocket 7s.

    In this example, villain fish has 25x his raise behind him in chips, therefore it will be profitable in the long run to set mine against this type of opponent. Against a good player, make sure both hero and villain have 20-25 bets behind.

    In a pot involving at least two other villains, look at the biggest stack in the pot and then your own to determine if set mining if profitable in the hand.

    It is important to note that your own stack matters when set mining. Also, if you have the skill level to play dry boards with low pocket pairs, your bet requirements can be lowered. It is important to not try and mix it up too much when you miss your set though. You won't have alot of info on your opponent(s) since you're cold calling preflop. Hope this helps.
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    Jun 8th, 2009 (6/8/2009 4:19am) in reply to Chazley

    Flopping a set or better (with a pocket pair) - 7.5/1 (11.8%)

    <UL type=circle> <LI>A set - 8.51/1 (11.76%)
    ODDS: 8.51 to 1. CHANCES: 1 in 9.51. PERCENT: 11.76%.
    MATH: 1-[(48/50)*(47/49)*(46/48)]
    EXPLANATION: Sometimes it is easier to calculate the odds of the opposite. Here I am going to calculate the odds of NOT flopping a set and subtract it from one. To calculate the odds of not flopping a set all the cards on the flop can't have the same rank as your pocket pair. For the first card there are 48 out of 50 cards that won't hit your set. For the second card there are 47 out of 49 cards and for the third card there are 46 out of 48 cards that won't hit your set.


    10.8% FLOP</LI>[/list]
    i just copy and paste from other websites cuz im lazy and dont like explaining things
     
  6. Chazley Chazley is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2009 (6/8/2009 4:22am) in reply to Chazley

    You also must take into consideration how often you will get paid off with a set.
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    Jun 8th, 2009 (6/8/2009 4:45am) in reply to TipsyToker

    10 to 1 is not enough .. at that number you need to have mad spewtard who is gonna pay you off like always or be able to make a play at a certain % of flops w/o hitting a set ... 12-14 to 1 is better imo .... trying to make hands way overrated imo.
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    Jun 8th, 2009 (6/8/2009 4:51am) in reply to TipsyToker

    5% yes you flop a set 1 in 8 times but you do not stack the other person every time and that needs to be calculated for..
     
  9. downbylaw11 downbylaw11 is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2009 (6/8/2009 5:12am) in reply to TipsyToker

    set mining on raises in 1500 stack tourneys is spewy i think

    early on in 3000 tourneys i think its ok to invest 200-300 on a set mine as long as either the pot has 3+ people in it, or if ive already raised to 60-80 and been reraised to between 200-300 or whatever. early on in tourneys guys who are 3 betting are typically doing it with uber strength so when you hit youre almost always gonna double up
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    Jun 8th, 2009 (6/8/2009 5:26am) in reply to downbylaw11

    setmine maximum 5% of effective stacks +1.5% for each extra person in the pot. Also be aware of other people still to act, as the more ppl to act the less chance you will actually be able to see a flop. the more ppl to act after you the less you should be prepared to put in.

    most ppl setmine for waaayyyy too much off theirs/opponents stacks. one of the most common mistakes i see
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    Jun 8th, 2009 (6/8/2009 3:55pm) in reply to JLizard

     
    Originally Posted by JLizard View Post

    10 to 1 is not enough .. at that number you need to have mad spewtard who is gonna pay you off like always or be able to make a play at a certain % of flops w/o hitting a set ... 12-14 to 1 is better imo .... trying to make hands way overrated imo.

    agree 10 to 1 is too low, i usually make sure its 15-20 to 1
     
  12. louiemdj louiemdj is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2009 (6/8/2009 4:05pm) in reply to mathclub

     
    Originally Posted by mathclub View Post

    setmine maximum 5% of effective stacks +1.5% for each extra person in the pot. Also be aware of other people still to act, as the more ppl to act the less chance you will actually be able to see a flop. the more ppl to act after you the less you should be prepared to put in.

    most ppl setmine for waaayyyy too much off theirs/opponents stacks. one of the most common mistakes i see

    That is some pretty solid advice.
  13. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2009 (6/8/2009 4:39pm) in reply to louiemdj

     
    Originally Posted by louiemdj View Post

     
    Originally Posted by mathclub View Post

    setmine maximum 5% of effective stacks +1.5% for each extra person in the pot. Also be aware of other people still to act, as the more ppl to act the less chance you will actually be able to see a flop. the more ppl to act after you the less you should be prepared to put in.

    most ppl setmine for waaayyyy too much off theirs/opponents stacks. one of the most common mistakes i see

    That is some pretty solid advice.

    Going off of mathclub's advice, most people just 3bet pre with pps when they can't set mine...works like a charm I guess
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