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Set out of position. What's your river play and why?

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  1. Malfaire Malfaire is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2006 (7/20/2006 5:00pm)

    pokerstars Game #5616612163: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2006/07/19 - 23:25:14 (ET)
    Table 'Alzirr III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: pablostar ($170.85 in chips)
    Seat 2: samjanjan ($234.80 in chips)
    Seat 3: Boomerman ($337.20 in chips)
    Seat 4: Pairofnothin ($211 in chips)
    Seat 5: WhatTheBallz ($242.15 in chips)
    Seat 6: malfaire ($156.80 in chips)
    malfaire: posts small blind $1
    pablostar: posts big blind $2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to malfaire [3d 3c]
    samjanjan: raises $8 to $10
    Boomerman: folds
    Pairofnothin: folds
    WhatTheBallz: folds
    malfaire: calls $9
    pablostar: folds
    *** FLOP *** [3h 4c 9d]
    malfaire: checks
    samjanjan: bets $12
    malfaire: calls $12
    *** TURN *** [3h 4c 9d] [8d]
    malfaire: checks
    samjanjan: bets $28
    malfaire: raises $38 to $66
    samjanjan: calls $38
    *** RIVER *** [3h 4c 9d 8d] [5h]
    malfaire: .....................?
  2. luckybacon luckybacon is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2006 (7/20/2006 5:16pm) in reply to Malfaire

    all in, his play seems to be very indicitive of an overpair. He doesnt seem like he wants to fold it so make him pay for it.
  3. Zelk Zelk is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2006 (7/20/2006 5:27pm) in reply to Malfaire

    The only hand I would be remotely worried about is 88. That's really it. So I can't see doing anything but pushing here. Good luck, and hope you win some money.

    P.S. Don't keep us in suspense what happened?
  4. simpledude simpledude is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2006 (7/20/2006 6:54pm) in reply to Malfaire

    I think you should go all in but the hand i would be worried about is 99. Also i think you should have led at the pot either on the flop or the turn. what are the results?
  5. Malfaire Malfaire is offline

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    Jul 21st, 2006 (7/21/2006 11:18am) in reply to simpledude

    *** RIVER *** [3h 4c 9d 8d] [5h]
    malfaire: bets $68.80 and is all-in
    samjanjan: calls $68.80
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    malfaire: shows [3d 3c] (three of a kind, Threes)
    samjanjan: shows [2c Ad] (a straight, Ace to Five)
    samjanjan collected $312.60 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $315.60 | Rake $3
    Board [3h 4c 9d 8d 5h]
    Seat 1: pablostar (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: samjanjan showed [2c Ad] and won ($312.60) with a straight, Ace to Five
    Seat 3: Boomerman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Pairofnothin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: WhatTheBallz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: malfaire (small blind) showed [3d 3c] and lost with three of a kind, Threes

    <span>Sorry guys, ended up seeing no responses and then left it. Here's the analysis I had sent to someone else.</span>

    Given this situation a larger bet on the turn by me would have more than likely chased him off. But, this wouldn't change how I play a hand like this in the future. <span>How he raises, especially in first position, was consistent with having a MUCH larger hand, something along the lines of TT to AA, AKs, or AQs. This guy was a bit looser, so I was thinking he could have a few more hands in that range. So I'm out of position and 33 is obviously not a stong hand, but I'm calling here as we're both pretty deep stacked. If I flop a set, I'm going to make a lot of money, if I miss it, I'm folding and I only lose $9. That's why I called preflop. </span>
    <span>So this is a pretty great flop for me. He most likely has an overpair, but would bet if I check to him and he had AK or AQ also. I check, he bets, and I don't want to scare him off right away, so I flat call. The turn is a bit of a scare card for me as it opens up flush possibilities, so I plan to check raise. If he bets pot here, I'd put him on the overpair which he'd need to protect. If he makes a smaller bet, I'm still putting him on AK or AQ. I check, he bets a bit more than half the pot. I want to get some more money in the pot and give him rope to hang himself if he has the overpair (he'd most likely put me all in), so I check raise for $38 more. He thinks and calls. </span>

    <span>River card is not scary at all - the only thing I'm worried about at this point is a higher set, and if he has that, then that's just unfortunate. His flat call is weird, but if he has 2 pair or an overpair he's definitely calling my all in as he's so committed to the pot. Therefore, shoving the river is a positive equity play considering how he's played the hand. The pot is huge and he'd be as committed to calling a $30 value bet with top 2 pair or an overpair. I don't view the river shove as being too risky or greedy, but to check down in scenarios such as this just leaves too much equity on the table ( i.e., the $68.80 I'd stand to win with a river push vs. not betting it and him checking behind) if you're doing it all the time, I believe. Unfortunately, I underestimated how weak my opponent was and didn't understand that he was capable of making such massive mistakes. </span>
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  6. Manhat10ite Manhat10ite is offline

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    Jul 21st, 2006 (7/21/2006 11:31am) in reply to Malfaire

    My first thought is you should have been all in on the turn. After reading the end of the HH I would make a note of this guy being very lag raising A2o PF, a hand I would fold.
     
  7. jay_shark jay_shark is offline

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    Jul 21st, 2006 (7/21/2006 12:50pm) in reply to simpledude

    Definitely push all in.
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