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  1. tomkim tomkim is offline

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    Feb 13th, 2011 (2/13/2011 9:55pm)

    Is there any way I lose less money here or is this just "That's Poker" ... I kmow I could've folded A 10 here but this guy was VERY AGGRESSIVE and I felt range was so Large that A 10 played very well against his..... I don't see how I get away from top 2 here... I look forward to your feedback

    Full Tilt Poker Game #28173267015: Daily Dollar Rebuy (218806546), Table 230 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:49:35 ET - 2011/02/13
    Seat 1: Foma1981 (6,660)
    Seat 2: ufc_canada (8,110)
    Seat 3: brubutters (4,520)
    Seat 4: AlvaroEstrella (25,238)
    Seat 5: karo28 (3,300)
    Seat 6: djcoma (5,765)
    Seat 7: tomkim (7,130)
    Seat 8: AKM9 (11,300)
    Seat 9: mario_bakerboy (9,475)
    Foma1981 posts the small blind of 80
    ufc_canada posts the big blind of 160
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to tomkim [As Td]
    brubutters folds
    AlvaroEstrella calls 160
    karo28 folds
    djcoma folds
    tomkim calls 160
    AKM9 calls 160
    mario_bakerboy folds
    Foma1981 raises to 800
    ufc_canada folds
    AlvaroEstrella folds
    tomkim calls 640
    AKM9 folds
    *** FLOP *** [Ts Ah 9s]
    Foma1981 checks
    tomkim bets 1,120
    AKM9 is feeling angry
    Foma1981 has 15 seconds left to act
    Foma1981 raises to 2,240
    tomkim raises to 6,330, and is all in
    Foma1981 calls 3,620, and is all in
    tomkim shows [As Td]
    Foma1981 shows [9d 9c]
    Uncalled bet of 470 returned to tomkim
    *** TURN *** [Ts Ah 9s] [7c]
    *** RIVER *** [Ts Ah 9s 7c] [Qs]
    tomkim shows two pair, Aces and Tens
    Foma1981 shows three of a kind, Nines
    Foma1981 wins the pot (13,800) with three of a kind, Nines
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 13,800 | Rake 0
    Board: [Ts Ah 9s 7c Qs]
    Seat 1: Foma1981 (small blind) showed [9d 9c] and won (13,800) with three of a kind, Nines
    Seat 2: ufc_canada (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: brubutters didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 4: AlvaroEstrella folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: karo28 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: djcoma didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: tomkim showed [As Td] and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens
    Seat 8: AKM9 folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: mario_bakerboy (button) didn't bet (folded)
  2. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Feb 13th, 2011 (2/13/2011 11:38pm) in reply to tomkim

    Pre-flop play is a giant calling station...and that ain't good. With the one limper, you should be raising. As played, when forma raises, I don't like calling AGAIN. If you think he's super-aggro and your A-10 is way ahead, then you should limp/3-bet. Don't sit there and wait for a miracle flop...how happy are you if it comes out A-4-2 and he leads out with a huge bet?

    As flopped, it's a cooler. But don't let that distract from the issue at hand.
     
  3. tomkim tomkim is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 12:15am) in reply to grapsfan

    Thanks for that it never occured to me to 3 bet preflop I guess that would've been much better... three bets and when to effectively use them is still a work in progress for me.... is there any literature out there somewhere that I can look into?
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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 1:24pm) in reply to tomkim

    Everything Grapsfan said... fold > 3bet> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>call
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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 4:23pm) in reply to tomkim

    Fold or raise preflop. I prefer fold here. If you 3bet preflop, villian will either call or reraise. You still will have a problem on the flop. You have top pair with marginal kicker. You got check (min) raised on flop, which screams strength. Hand should end there.

    You are playing with tunnel vision. The only thing you see is your hand with pair of aces.

    Work on starting hands preflop and know how to play them from all positions.
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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 7:30pm) in reply to kelmann333

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    I kmow I could've folded A 10 here but this guy was VERY AGGRESSIVE and I felt range was so Large that A 10 played very well against his..... I don't see how I get away from top 2 here...

    I know A 10 is marginal but really....

     

    You are playing with tunnel vision. The only thing you see is your hand with pair of aces.

    I flopped top 2 pair.... Yes check min says Strength but top 2 is Pretty strong after flop... My read said A 10 played well against range preflop... the 3 bet is where i missed ... I should never call here either fold or 3 bet... Working on filling that HOLE.
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  7. kelmann333 kelmann333 is online now

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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 9:21pm) in reply to tomkim

    That's a big hole- but easy to fill!

    on to your next holes..............

    BTW- yes, you did flop top two; again, big problem was PF play.
  8. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 10:07pm) in reply to kelmann333

     
    Originally Posted by kelmann333 View Post

    That's a big hole- but easy to fill!

    on to your next holes..............

    BTW- yes, you did flop top two; again, big problem was PF play.

    I disagree. I'm stacking off post flop on that all day every day. Folding top 2 to a minraise would be a major hole.

    Once you bet the flop almost 30% of your stack is in the pot. The villain 5x'ed following a limp and checked the flop -- that range can easily be 99+, AT+, Axss, or some type of combo draw. The only option is to jam or fold. Folding top 2 is -EV long-term, so jamming is the correct play.
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  9. IsaacN3wt0n IsaacN3wt0n is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 10:09pm) in reply to tomkim

    definite miss play pre flop. I wudnt call more then a 2-3x raise with A-Ts with position. but it has to be suited cause then my hand flops alot better then A-To. Its a cooler after the flop but limp calling is too weak and your giving away your money there in the long run, even when you flop top pair, as you let villain see a flop either with a better Ace or a mid-high pocket pair. fold the ATo pre flop, never call a blinds raise with it either unless ur 2-4 handed. your missing alot of fine points in your game, like his raise size, i either come over the top or fold. but i wud never have limped.... good luck in ur endeavors.
  10. kelmann333 kelmann333 is online now

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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 10:15pm) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    I disagree. I'm stacking off post flop on that all day every day. Folding top 2 to a minraise would be a major hole.

    Once you bet the flop almost 30% of your stack is in the pot. The villain 5x'ed following a limp and checked the flop -- that range can easily be 99+, AT+, Axss, or some type of combo draw. The only option is to jam or fold. Folding top 2 is -EV long-term, so jamming is the correct play.

    My point is PREFLOP play! He put himself in this spot.

    The flop play is standard.
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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 10:31pm) in reply to kelmann333

     
    Originally Posted by kelmann333 View Post

    My point is PREFLOP play! He put himself in this spot.

    The flop play is standard.

    When you said "on to your next holes..." and brought up the flop I thought you were saying the flop play was bed as well.

    I guess I should read more carefully, sorry.
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