I found this series of event incredibly suspicious and frustrating with only two tables left in the FTP $162 8:00 PM $65K Guarantee: After I call "MoormanI's" early position raise w/QJ on the button, bet into him on the 2J2 board, and doubling up through him when he shoves, this hand is played:

Full Tilt Poker Game #5961660012: $65,000 Guarantee (45216586), Table 45 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:53:42 ET - 2008/04/09
Seat 1: 666aces (49,884)
Seat 2: DRose12345 (61,084)
Seat 3: ABowns (37,118)
Seat 4: Clonie Gowen (125,282)
Seat 5: RIVER--ACE20 (31,208)
Seat 6: DrunkPPlaya (111,462)
Seat 7: BerkeleyBoss (341,734)
Seat 8: how it tast3 (60,009)
Seat 9: MoormanI (10,237)
666aces antes 500
DRose12345 antes 500
ABowns antes 500
Clonie Gowen antes 500
RIVER--ACE20 antes 500
DrunkPPlaya antes 500
BerkeleyBoss antes 500
how it tast3 antes 500
MoormanI antes 500
DrunkPPlaya posts the small blind of 2,000
BerkeleyBoss posts the big blind of 4,000
MoormanI: pretty good pre flop play
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DrunkPPlaya [Qs 3s]
how it tast3 folds
DrunkPPlaya: thanks
DrunkPPlaya: you think i dont know you?
MoormanI has 15 seconds left to act
DrunkPPlaya: i got an apartment in your head
MoormanI has requested TIME
MoormanI: well whatever
MoormanI: im just gonna use my whole timebank
MoormanI: because your a retard
DrunkPPlaya: k, im gonna go get some water
DrunkPPlaya: it's alright to admit you're outclassed
MoormanI raises to 8,000
666aces folds
DRose12345 folds
ABowns folds
Clonie Gowen folds
RIVER--ACE20 folds
DrunkPPlaya folds
BerkeleyBoss folds
Uncalled bet of 4,000 returned to MoormanI
MoormanI mucks
MoormanI wins the pot (14,500)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 14,500 | Rake 0
Seat 1: 666aces folded before the Flop
Seat 2: DRose12345 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: ABowns folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Clonie Gowen folded before the Flop
Seat 5: RIVER--ACE20 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: DrunkPPlaya (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: BerkeleyBoss (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: how it tast3 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: MoormanI collected (14,500), mucked

He shoves his $10K around to "BerkleyBoss," who folds his big blind ($4000), even though this is an easy call w/any cards, it's not quite damning enough to suggest collusion. However, "BerkleyBoss" types "oops" in the chat box as if he had folded by accident. Later on, at the final table, he will say that he had 95o and imply that that was his reason for folding. This next hand is incredibly suspicious and immediately follows the prior one:

Full Tilt Poker Game #5961675812: $65,000 Guarantee (45216586), Table 45 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:55:13 ET - 2008/04/09
Seat 1: 666aces (49,384)
Seat 2: DRose12345 (60,584)
Seat 3: ABowns (36,618)
Seat 4: Clonie Gowen (124,782)
Seat 5: RIVER--ACE20 (30,708)
Seat 6: DrunkPPlaya (108,962)
Seat 7: BerkeleyBoss (337,234)
Seat 8: how it tast3 (59,509)
Seat 9: MoormanI (20,237)
666aces antes 500
DRose12345 antes 500
ABowns antes 500
Clonie Gowen antes 500
RIVER--ACE20 antes 500
DrunkPPlaya antes 500
BerkeleyBoss antes 500
how it tast3 antes 500
MoormanI antes 500
BerkeleyBoss posts the small blind of 2,000
how it tast3 posts the big blind of 4,000
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DrunkPPlaya [Qd 2h]
BerkeleyBoss: kndfknl
MoormanI has 15 seconds left to act
MoormanI has requested TIME
BerkeleyBoss: oopz
DrunkPPlaya: you folded?
DrunkPPlaya: is he your buddy?
MoormanI raises to 12,000
666aces folds
DRose12345 folds
ABowns folds
Clonie Gowen folds
RIVER--ACE20 folds
DrunkPPlaya folds
BerkeleyBoss has 15 seconds left to act
BerkeleyBoss has requested TIME
BerkeleyBoss raises to 228,000
how it tast3 folds
MoormanI: erm
MoormanI: 555555555555
MoormanI: 5
MoormanI has 15 seconds left to act
MoormanI: 5
MoormanI: 5
MoormanI: 5
MoormanI: 5
MoormanI: 5
MoormanI: 5
MoormanI: 55
MoormanI: 5
MoormanI: 5
MoormanI: 55555
MoormanI: 5
MoormanI: 5
MoormanI: 5
MoormanI: 5
MoormanI calls 7,737, and is all in
BerkeleyBoss shows [7h 6s]
MoormanI shows [5c As]
Uncalled bet of 208,263 returned to BerkeleyBoss
*** FLOP *** [4c Qs Ts]
*** TURN *** [4c Qs Ts] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [4c Qs Ts 9s] [4h]
BerkeleyBoss shows a pair of Fours
MoormanI shows a pair of Fours
MoormanI wins the pot (47,974) with a pair of Fours
MoormanI stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 47,974 | Rake 0
Board: [4c Qs Ts 9s 4h]
Seat 1: 666aces folded before the Flop
Seat 2: DRose12345 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: ABowns folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Clonie Gowen folded before the Flop
Seat 5: RIVER--ACE20 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: DrunkPPlaya (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: BerkeleyBoss (small blind) showed [7h 6s] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 8: how it tast3 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: MoormanI showed [5c As] and won (47,974) with a pair of Fours

"MoormanI" again shoves, as he prolly should, but "BerkleyBoss" now shoves all-in, pushing out the singular remaining player: the BB, w/76o and proceeds to double up "MoormanI's" A5 who is moved to the other table and accumulates a large stack. Interesting that someone who would supposedly fold 95o to a minimum all-in would now isolate w/76o. No one else at the table seemed to notice, except Clonie Gowen who agreed that it was very suspicious.

As this is posted, "MoormanI" has a dominant chip lead w/four players left.

For your consideration,
"DrunkPPlaya"

1st hand better be a misclick cause berk obv knows to never fold there, if he says otherwise hes lying

2nd hand fine

Im not gonna call collusion but to say he is a fool is kind of ridic. Nobody at the final 2 tables of this event has autofold clicked when they are in the BB. Secondly to isolate from the small stack with 76o is incredibly stupid, esp after the previous fold from the BB.

may not have autofold clicked but could have been multitabling or just not paying attention to moormans stak and looke, saw he had a trash hand and just folded.

It's possible, but with a competent player, like SC said, is highly unlikely. No decent player isn't focusing 100% that deep in a tournament. The 5-1 or whatever it was fold does look really weird.

so the first hand is collusion because he didn't call, but the second one is collusion because he did?

 

Originally Posted by A V0id In Me

It's possible, but with a competent player, like SC said, is highly unlikely. No decent player isn't focusing 100% that deep in a tournament. The 5-1 or whatever it was fold does look really weird.

That's very far from a true statement and its definitely not an ultimatum. Sometimes people find it helpful to not get super hyped over getting that deep and just continue to play their game. People can have brain farts

After I call "MoormanI's" early position raise w/QJ on the button, bet into him on the 2J2 board, and doubling up through him when he shoves, this hand is played:(u were in the big blind with 15big blinds solid pre flop call imo)


Anyway I don't have a clue who the other guy even is and I have a pretty reputable name and wouldn't collude in a mtt so I'm not too happy about being accused of it.

I admit it was weird him folding but all my stupid antics in the chatbox, timebanking etc maybe put him off what was going on and he just saw a raise and didn't see how much I had left behind.

gg ul ship the win etc. Special mention to sctrojans who played great and came 3rd when I rivered a 3 outter versus him ooops. Just for you bragging about some crappy play in your qj hand I thought i'd post your final table exit.....

Full Tilt Poker Game #5962108508: $65,000 Guarantee (45216586), Table 45 - 4000/8000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:40:25 ET - 2008/04/09
Seat 1: RESIDENTevilX (219,088)
Seat 2: DRose12345 (178,658)
Seat 3: ABowns (89,586)
Seat 4: Clonie Gowen (119,925)
Seat 5: MoormanI (461,498)
Seat 6: DrunkPPlaya (239,524)
Seat 8: SCTrojans08 (359,721)
RESIDENTevilX antes 1,000
DRose12345 antes 1,000
ABowns antes 1,000
Clonie Gowen antes 1,000
MoormanI antes 1,000
DrunkPPlaya antes 1,000
SCTrojans08 antes 1,000
MoormanI posts the small blind of 4,000
DrunkPPlaya posts the big blind of 8,000
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MoormanI [Jd 9d]
SCTrojans08: what else they change
SCTrojans08 folds
RESIDENTevilX folds
DRose12345 folds
ABowns folds
Clonie Gowen folds
MoormanI calls 4,000
DrunkPPlaya has 15 seconds left to act
DrunkPPlaya raises to 26,000
MoormanI calls 18,000
*** FLOP *** [9s 4c Jh]
MoormanI checks
DrunkPPlaya has 15 seconds left to act
DrunkPPlaya has requested TIME
DrunkPPlaya bets 34,000
MoormanI has 15 seconds left to act
MoormanI raises to 75,000
DrunkPPlaya has 15 seconds left to act
DrunkPPlaya has requested TIME
DrunkPPlaya raises to 212,524, and is all in
MoormanI calls 137,524
DrunkPPlaya shows [5h As]
MoormanI shows [Jd 9d]
*** TURN *** [9s 4c Jh] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [9s 4c Jh 4d] [7c]
DrunkPPlaya shows a pair of Fours
MoormanI shows two pair, Jacks and Nines
MoormanI wins the pot (484,048) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
SCTrojans08: yer sick chris
DRose12345: gg
DrunkPPlaya stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 484,048 | Rake 0
Board: [9s 4c Jh 4d 7c]
Seat 1: RESIDENTevilX folded before the Flop
Seat 2: DRose12345 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: ABowns folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Clonie Gowen (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: MoormanI (small blind) showed [Jd 9d] and won (484,048) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 6: DrunkPPlaya (big blind) showed [5h As] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 8: SCTrojans08 folded before the Flop

DrunkPPlaya: it's alright to admit you're outclassed

chatbox antics didnt start till after his fold

you think you're the only one who knows raising a solid player's BB from early position will get respect? getting 3:1, will obviously outplay you on any board, as i did when i donk bet the dry 2J2 board and baited your shove, btw, what is A7s vs. QJ? more or less than 3:1? ship the good play award, right here baby, ouclasssssssssssed

lol drunk is a loser

"MoormanI: im just gonna use my whole timebank"
"MoormanI: because your a retard"

The funny thing is, you look like a bigger retard for spelling "you're" wrong.

touche, you're right about when they started

let the record reflect i never say anything until provoked, and usually play with my chat off

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wats so crazy abt the 2nd hand?nothing. and the 1st hand maybe he just clicked auto fold when he was 1st dealt his cards and folded not noticing how short moorman was. This is nothing even close to look like collusion your a fool, gtfo.

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what he said, op is a freakin idiot
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OP has no class what so ever and is obv pissed to not win AND thinks he can act like a 12 yr old because of his recent variance ( i mean succes).

Maybe you were the one out classed