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Ship it or see a flop?

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  1. DeuceDragon DeuceDragon is offline

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    Nov 7th, 2010 (11/7/2010 1:31am)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #25329801982: $33,000 KO Guarantee (196037504), Table 127 - 1000/2000 Ante 250 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:51:49 ET - 2010/11/06
    Seat 1: andyafcb (101,190)
    Seat 2: pokisrty (41,776)
    Seat 3: DeuceDragon (51,871)
    Seat 4: Yeachanee (89,974)
    Seat 5: TheHarv68 (30,307)
    Seat 8: Jack4339 (92,996)
    Seat 9: GreenDog1982 (89,984)
    andyafcb antes 250
    pokisrty antes 250
    DeuceDragon antes 250
    Yeachanee antes 250
    TheHarv68 antes 250
    Jack4339 antes 250
    GreenDog1982 antes 250
    pokisrty posts the small blind of 1,000
    DeuceDragon posts the big blind of 2,000
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to DeuceDragon [Kd Ts]
    dutchy2007 sits down
    Yeachanee folds
    TheHarv68 folds
    Jack4339 folds
    GreenDog1982 calls 2,000
    andyafcb calls 2,000
    pokisrty calls 1,000
    DeuceDragon ....

    Wondering what peoples views are here? check and hope to bink the flop or shove attempting to increase my stack by 20%? dont think i ever like raising less than allin here due to my stack size and poor position.

    Not a great deal of info/stats on the villians, cutoff limper has been at the table for less than 20hands but with VPIP/PFR of 44/15 not that that many hands is anything to go by. Other 2 have been at the table longer and have been generally TAG.
  2. RobK16 RobK16 is offline

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    Nov 7th, 2010 (11/7/2010 11:02am) in reply to DeuceDragon

    I think it depends a lot on your table image. K10o is marginal at best in that spot. Probably better to see a flop. But, if you've only showed down good hands, I might shove. Nobody has shown any strength. If Greendog was trapping with a big hand...oh well...nice try, and load up the next tourney.
  3. Pipes06 Pipes06 is offline

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    Nov 7th, 2010 (11/7/2010 3:28pm) in reply to RobK16

    I ship sometimes, but don't hate seeing a flop.
     
  4. I quit ok I quit ok is offline

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    Nov 7th, 2010 (11/7/2010 3:42pm) in reply to RobK16

    Personally, I would see a flop. K 10 is an ok hand and if you hit top pair here you are probably good most of time. With any luck, he might have a hand like J 10 resulting in a double up. Roughly 25bb left is still a decent amount of chips. If you have a strong table image or you sense weakness, don't be afraid to raise around 10,000 here. If you get re-raised you know in all likely-hood he was slow playing a MONSTER. In which case you would still be left with 40,000. I haven't done the math yet, but shoving all-in here, especially with K 10 doesn't feel like the right play long term.
  5. Guz Guz is offline

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    Nov 7th, 2010 (11/7/2010 7:27pm) in reply to I quit ok

    Why ship it? Flop.
  6. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Nov 7th, 2010 (11/7/2010 10:34pm) in reply to Guz

    I know the 'm' measure (my personal favorite for how long you have) isn't as popular as bb, but you do have 10m here. You have some time. Problem here is, when the trap was on, your crushed here. So, your never getting called in these spots with something you are close to flipping with. Also, picking up the 8k in chips is nice, but I don't think it significantly changes your position in the game. Yet, losing the hand (or winning it) would, though winning anything more than the 8k is very unlikely.

    Here, I think I see the flop. Now, if I think there is a good chance that everyone is folding here, and I had about $30k in chips, I'd be shipping it.
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