suicide IMO...

slowplaying in LHE only leads to bad things.

-mantis

pathetic

imo i dont see anything wrong with this. If you dont make plays like these you jsut become a standard bet bet bet raise player. You have to establish some sort of deceptions and fear into the other players when you check, it gives you more free cards down the road and allows for more powerfully illusioned bluffs if you re mimic this.

I think your being increidble simple minded and are too used to beating 2/4 limit. This is for 10/20 short handed, not ten handed, not 2/4... 10/20.

i almost feel sorry for you if you cant appreciate the many levels a play like this can affect your image at the table.

no iam seeing it from both ways and i dont see why in the world this would be bad advice, ill sotp posting these ebcause every single one recieves not one good response back. All i know is that i win, i crush tables so it cant be suicide, it cant be horrible.

It flat out works and i think its sad that no one can look at things and play them differently or consider this as another tool for their game to sub in once and a while. I dont even care because i know my that my results at this level are incredibly impressive. O well, best of luck all of you hopefully one day ill jsut give up trying to pass on tips.

and once again matnis i 100% understand what your saying but i dont want to be that kind of limit player, everyone plays that way

imo you can only go so high playing straight forward raise raise call call raise limit poker. Iam trying to develop a game to take to 300/600 and higher and make peoples heads spin

amazing, a losing play overall yet ive only ever had 1 losing session after 23 of them. Imagine that

*edit* sorry i just now realized that i am the worlds luckiest player, therefore your all right and its just my ubsurdly good Fortune allowing me to win.

sorry all for the misunderstanding. Iam sure your now going to ask well why dont you jsut play limit if your so good at it.

Answer is, its boring and the suckouts are incredible, given my short fuse its just a very frustrating game so i just dazzle into it when theres no MTT's around and iam not in the mood to focus hard on a NL game.

I play it the same Readzie, theres no reason to give away your hand for an extra $10 raise...

You can basically save your hand for a re raise on the BB's which is what is important to collect in LHE.

What is it with people piling on Readzie? He can be sort of schizo at times, but he's a nice guy and he plays quite well. I have access to his stats for one site because he plays through my site and we can track him, and I can tell you he makes more money than most of you do, and isn't that how we keep score?

As for the play -

It's not how I would play AA every time, but at what point in the hand do you think he was making his big mistake? If you thikn the information is bad then refute it and tell us how you would have played the hand and why he has made such a giant mistake. He went through his reasoning, so do the same thing and start a real strategy discussion instead of just looking down from your mighty throne and declaring the play incorrect.

At the 10/20 6max tables you will find very aggressive players, often too aggressive, and often very predictable as well. If I get a good read on a player as overly aggressive I'll happily wait til the turn to check raise with my aces as long as the board looks fairly safe. The aggressive player will probably help you win a big pot and will definitely remember the play for the rest of the session and maybe lay off you when you have a draw.

If you have very aggressive opponents who are nearly guaranteed to bet, giving them a cheaper turn card isn't exactly suicide, and his reasoning preflop is good as well. Preflop reraising with AA is not going to drive people out, but it will define his hand to his opponents and allow them to win a big pot against him or lose a small one and get out earlier than they did.

So I would love to hear how exactly other people would have played it. I'll go first.

Preflop I would have played it no differently than Readzie did, for the reasons I stated above.

On the flop sometimes I will reraise and try to knock out an opponent. The pot has gotten fairly large and I'm okay with winning it now. There are also times when I will play it the way Readzie did. If my opponents are tight preflop and fairly predictable then I am looking at two fairly large hands, and with a very safe flop I figure the best chance my opponents have to beat me is maybe 10 to 1 on the turn. In that case I will keep my hand disguised another round.

On the turn I'm going full steam ahead unless I get an indication that I am actually beaten. If it looks like I'm beat I may fold, but it will be a rare situation when I fold AA here after the way the action has been. the action indicates to me that I am facing two big preflop hands, and only KK is ahead of me right now. KK seems highly unlikely given the king on board, so I'll get some bets in there on the tunr and try to get some extra bets out of my opponents.

The river is quite safe, and I'll bet again, just like Readzie did.

Despite probably having some mental health issues Readzie is a nice guy and plays well. I have never personally seen him lie, though I don't know him that well, and I have never seen behave in a way that is cruel or openly rude, even while taking that sort of behavior from half of pocketfives. Maybe those of you with no skills, no bankroll, and a cruel streak should take lessons from him, he can help you with all three of those problems.

Whether he plays well or not is likely not debatable. If you are making money you are good enough to have an opinion and play some hands a little tricky.

That said, mantis is right. As you move up the ladder in limit hold-em aggression and extra bets beome important. You want to thin the field as much as possible and control the tempo of the table as much as possible. The fact that you got tricky and it worked doesn't mean a ton to me. What is more important is that if you play aggressively you will pick up more pots than you are supposed to and you won't need to play tricky to get extra bets. You will get extra bets because people will think you can't possibly always have it.

I almost like the play in NL but it a bad play to play limit poker that way. You will almost always get the callers you need from the blinds because of the odds they are gettting on the call and they will likely think you are stealing with whatever so you possibly can get extra bets there.

Post flop you played it great and I agree with your analysis but I don't think you would fair well playing like that as you move higher. The players are better and they would get more bets from you than you will from them the way you played that hand.

Don't listen to Fox, he is a communist, at least that is what Fidel Castro told me.

It worked out this time, but more often than not, this play in this situation isn't going to be as profitable. Fatka, the guy who 3-bet it preflop, played this hand like a dumbass. I don't know what hand he has here that he's willing to fold on the river that he wouldn't have folded for $40 on the turn.

Usually, against better players, Fatka is going to check behind the two of you on the turn, where you lose your $120 you made on that street. I have no idea why he bet there and then folded on the river. Pretty dumb play. But his dumb play made you money.

It's a scenerio that ended up working out, but if I'm Fatka in that case with A,Q spades there, I'm checking the turn and hoping to hit a spade on the river. This will be the case the majority of the time with this type of hand. You think you played it well, but you got lucky there. All Fatka has to do is check the turn and you go from a $290 pot to a $170 - $210 pot. That's it.

Best way to play it is capping it preflop, 3-betting the flop (maybe it gets capped to you after you three-bet it) and leading out on the turn. That play still works out to about a $290 pot (actually, $290 exactly), but in the future, your check on the turn is going to be followed by a check from Fatka.

You didn't "trap" any of them. They were coming along for the ride the whole way anyway, regardless if they're paying $20 on the flop or $30, $40 preflop or $30. That's just limit for ya.

sounds like an expensive tip. U go broke gettin fancy and "sucking" in more players to draw. I think I'll put u on my buddy list. When can i get more lessons. I thought the 10/20 6-max action was good on party, I might better try Ultimate Bet. I'm glad some of the players that watch NL tourneys on TV give Limit holdem a try once in awhile.

I think you played this hand well, and you gave a really good explanation for why you did it. As I'm reading I'm thinking "yeah, well if he's going to do that, then his reasoning should be... oop there it is" and I think it really makes sense.

That being said, you come off as such a little shit that no one cares what you think, no matter what the reasoning.

You could be the smartest player in the game, but come off as the most arrogant little punk??? No one would care what you say.

It's because he has elite helicopter skills

i like your point about raising to find out where you are instead of facing a re raise to your re raise on turn. But if you couple that with the flush draw potential on flop i think it is the better play to raise there 80% of the time instead of my original feelings on 50%.