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should i be flipping here or not...several hands

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  1. POKRJOKER POKRJOKER is offline

    Branson, MO
    United States

    Posts: 93
    Joined: Mar 06

    Sep 28th, 2008 (9/28/2008 10:54am)

    this is pretty ugly ....my question here is should i be flipping these hands...should i be willing to risk these chips this early...they wont break me...but its a good chunk of chips...that i had to fight to get

    Full Tilt Poker Game #8242734225: $18,500 Guarantee (1r+1a) (61960905), Table 9 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:51:58 ET - 2008/09/27
    Seat 1: hoyazo (7,570)
    Seat 2: johnsonck69 (26,689), is sitting out
    Seat 3: sketchy1 (6,255)
    Seat 4: Bernie Kosar (16,490)
    Seat 5: Maverick4769 (9,835)
    Seat 6: Jack4339 (14,986)
    Seat 7: kjcoke (11,985)
    Seat 8: JaspudUF (7,113)
    Seat 9: pokrjoker (22,529)
    hoyazo antes 25
    johnsonck69 antes 25
    sketchy1 antes 25
    Bernie Kosar antes 25
    Maverick4769 antes 25
    Jack4339 antes 25
    kjcoke antes 25
    JaspudUF antes 25
    pokrjoker antes 25
    pokrjoker posts the small blind of 120
    hoyazo posts the big blind of 240
    The button is in seat #8
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to pokrjoker [Ks As]
    johnsonck69 folds
    sketchy1 has 15 seconds left to act
    sketchy1 folds
    Bernie Kosar folds
    Maverick4769 raises to 960
    Jack4339 folds
    kjcoke folds
    JaspudUF has 15 seconds left to act
    JaspudUF raises to 7,088, and is all in
    pokrjoker folds
    hoyazo calls 6,848
    Maverick4769 folds
    JaspudUF shows [9c 9h]
    hoyazo shows [Qd Qs]
    *** FLOP *** [3c 6d Kd]
    *** TURN *** [3c 6d Kd] [Tc]
    *** RIVER *** [3c 6d Kd Tc] [Js]
    JaspudUF shows a pair of Nines
    hoyazo shows a pair of Queens
    hoyazo wins the pot (15,481) with a pair of Queens
    JaspudUF stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 15,481 | Rake 0
    Board: [3c 6d Kd Tc Js]
    Seat 1: hoyazo (big blind) showed [Qd Qs] and won (15,481) with a pair of Queens
    Seat 2: johnsonck69 folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: sketchy1 folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: Bernie Kosar folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: Maverick4769 folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: Jack4339 folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: kjcoke folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: JaspudUF (button) showed [9c 9h] and lost with a pair of Nines
    Seat 9: pokrjoker (small blind) folded before the Flop

    Full Tilt Poker Game #8242959233: $18,500 Guarantee (1r+1a) (61960905), Table 9 - 170/340 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:12:46 ET - 2008/09/27
    Seat 1: Bonds252525 (34,451)
    Seat 2: johnsonck69 (23,004)
    Seat 3: sketchy1 (13,695)
    Seat 4: Bernie Kosar (15,370)
    Seat 5: Maverick4769 (8,210)
    Seat 6: Jack4339 (15,701)
    Seat 7: kjcoke (9,790)
    Seat 8: Wawa711 (5,610)
    Seat 9: pokrjoker (37,102)
    Bonds252525 antes 25
    johnsonck69 antes 25
    sketchy1 antes 25
    Bernie Kosar antes 25
    Maverick4769 antes 25
    Jack4339 antes 25
    kjcoke antes 25
    Wawa711 antes 25
    pokrjoker antes 25
    Maverick4769 posts the small blind of 170
    Jack4339 posts the big blind of 340
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to pokrjoker [7c 7s]
    kjcoke folds
    Wawa711 raises to 875
    pokrjoker calls 875
    Bonds252525 folds
    johnsonck69 folds
    sketchy1 folds
    Bernie Kosar folds
    Maverick4769 raises to 8,185, and is all in
    Jack4339 folds
    Wawa711 calls 4,710, and is all in
    pokrjoker folds
    Maverick4769 shows [9c 9s]
    Wawa711 shows [Kh Ad]
    Uncalled bet of 2,600 returned to Maverick4769
    *** FLOP *** [4c Qc Kd]
    *** TURN *** [4c Qc Kd] [7h]
    *** RIVER *** [4c Qc Kd 7h] [4d]
    Maverick4769 shows two pair, Nines and Fours
    Wawa711 shows two pair, Kings and Fours
    Wawa711 wins the pot (12,610) with two pair, Kings and Fours
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 12,610 | Rake 0
    Board: [4c Qc Kd 7h 4d]
    Seat 1: Bonds252525 folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: johnsonck69 folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: sketchy1 folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: Bernie Kosar (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: Maverick4769 (small blind) showed [9c 9s] and lost with two pair, Nines and Fours
    Seat 6: Jack4339 (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: kjcoke folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: Wawa711 showed [Kh Ad] and won (12,610) with two pair, Kings and Fours
    Seat 9: pokrjoker folded before the Flop

    Full Tilt Poker Game #8243167074: $18,500 Guarantee (1r+1a) (61960905), Table 9 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:32:37 ET - 2008/09/27
    Seat 1: Bonds252525 (43,912)
    Seat 2: johnsonck69 (11,650)
    Seat 3: sketchy1 (16,475)
    Seat 4: Bernie Kosar (21,768)
    Seat 5: Marcilan (42,348)
    Seat 6: Jack4339 (10,701)
    Seat 7: kjcoke (7,490)
    Seat 8: Wawa711 (9,390)
    Seat 9: pokrjoker (41,647)
    Bonds252525 antes 50
    johnsonck69 antes 50
    sketchy1 antes 50
    Bernie Kosar antes 50
    Marcilan antes 50
    Jack4339 antes 50
    kjcoke antes 50
    Wawa711 antes 50
    pokrjoker antes 50
    Jack4339 posts the small blind of 250
    kjcoke posts the big blind of 500
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to pokrjoker [9d 9c]
    Wawa711 folds
    pokrjoker raises to 1,200
    Bonds252525 folds
    johnsonck69 folds
    sketchy1 folds
    Bernie Kosar calls 1,200
    Marcilan folds
    Jack4339 has 15 seconds left to act
    Jack4339 folds
    kjcoke calls 700
    *** FLOP *** [Jc Js Td]
    jason_killer (Observer): yo yo yo pokr
    kjcoke has 15 seconds left to act
    kjcoke checks
    pokrjoker bets 2,000
    Bernie Kosar folds
    kjcoke raises to 6,240, and is all in
    pokrjoker calls 4,240
    kjcoke shows [Tc 7c]
    pokrjoker shows [9d 9c]
    *** TURN *** [Jc Js Td] [3h]
    *** RIVER *** [Jc Js Td 3h] [2h]
    kjcoke shows two pair, Jacks and Tens
    pokrjoker shows two pair, Jacks and Nines
    kjcoke wins the pot (16,780) with two pair, Jacks and Tens
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 16,780 | Rake 0
    Board: [Jc Js Td 3h 2h]
    Seat 1: Bonds252525 folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: johnsonck69 folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: sketchy1 folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: Bernie Kosar folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: Marcilan (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: Jack4339 (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: kjcoke (big blind) showed [Tc 7c] and won (16,780) with two pair, Jacks and Tens
    Seat 8: Wawa711 folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: pokrjoker showed [9d 9c] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Nines

    ^^^i really didnt even think here...was in couple other games...

    and for this last hand....maybe i should have played it different....considering this is the bubbled and he had a bigger stack and had been pretty active along with sketchy...who hit a couple hands and absolutely tore the bubble up....i figured bb would be aggressive....i fed him my sb for 2 hours just to make this happen so it went according to plan...all except the flop and the river...this goes back to my other QQ thread where i was flammed for flatting utg raise with QQ on the bubble...and folding to the A on the flop

    Full Tilt Poker Game #8243734714: $18,500 Guarantee (1r+1a) (61960905), Table 9 - 600/1200 Ante 150 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:33:25 ET - 2008/09/27
    Seat 1: anand818 (41,104)
    Seat 3: sketchy1 (90,279)
    Seat 4: Bernie Kosar (8,133)
    Seat 5: Marcilan (10,314)
    Seat 7: kjcoke (22,710)
    Seat 8: DoobMan420 (19,633)
    Seat 9: pokrjoker (30,225)
    anand818 antes 150
    sketchy1 antes 150
    Bernie Kosar antes 150
    Marcilan antes 150
    kjcoke antes 150
    DoobMan420 antes 150
    pokrjoker antes 150
    pokrjoker posts the small blind of 600
    anand818 posts the big blind of 1,200
    The button is in seat #8
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to pokrjoker [Qd Qh]
    sketchy1 folds
    Bernie Kosar folds
    Marcilan folds
    kjcoke folds
    DoobMan420 folds
    pokrjoker calls 600
    anand818 raises to 40,954, and is all in
    pokrjoker calls 28,875, and is all in
    anand818 shows [Kd Ad]
    pokrjoker shows [Qd Qh]
    Uncalled bet of 10,879 returned to anand818
    *** FLOP *** [Ac 4d 6h]
    *** TURN *** [Ac 4d 6h] [8s]
    *** RIVER *** [Ac 4d 6h 8s] [Kc]
    anand818 shows two pair, Aces and Kings
    pokrjoker shows a pair of Queens
    anand818 wins the pot (61,200) with two pair, Aces and Kings
    DoobMan420: gg
    pokrjoker stands up
    ClownzRus sits down
    ClownzRus adds 13,450
    CompleteDonk sits down
    CompleteDonk adds 39,231
    21Zephyr sits down
    21Zephyr adds 30,461
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 61,200 | Rake 0
    Board: [Ac 4d 6h 8s Kc]
    Seat 1: anand818 (big blind) showed [Kd Ad] and won (61,200) with two pair, Aces and Kings
    Seat 3: sketchy1 folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: Bernie Kosar folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: Marcilan folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: kjcoke folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: DoobMan420 (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: pokrjoker (small blind) showed [Qd Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens

    and pokrjoker finishes in 19th place with no money for his hours of work \o/\o/\o/
     
  2. PocketRuners PocketRuners is offline

    Thornhill
    Canada

    Posts: 268
    Joined: Jun 07

    Sep 28th, 2008 (9/28/2008 1:34pm) in reply to POKRJOKER

    I"m no expert so I won't be surprised if someone disagrees and potentially rightfully so but here it goes.

    First hand my school of thought is normally fold, but stack sizes here might lead me to call. You've got 22k, and the three opponents potentailly in the pot have between 7 and 10k. If you play and lose you'll still have 12k, but if you win you can be up to 47. You dont know for sure if Maverick or hoy will play this one if you shove but assuming they do it costs you 10k to win 35k. Good odds with AK assuming noone has AA or KK. If Mav folds it's 7k to win about 25, so again niec odds. AK agianst several smaller pairs really starts to look good since any of your 6 immediate outs will likely beat all of their hands unless they make a set. I dont think I would put my tourney life on the line with AK here if I were shorter and 1 or more of them were deeper, but looking at that hand I feel like I'd gamble for a huge stack.

    SEcond hand good fold, 77 got no chance of being ahead there. I might have even folded preflop to the raise (hate middle pairs on the flop) but either way you got out with most of your stack. 7 on turn just a tease, ignore it.

    Third hand is tough, and i'd say entirely dependant on your situation as described. I personally would have raised a little more preflop, but if 2.5x was taking pots down at your table then a deviation from that might have aroused suspicion. WIth 2 callers and that flop hard to know where you're at since 20k stack guy could call with some hands like AT or QJ if he's playing loose and BB got great odds after that call so even his t7 is justifiable despite his small stack. Leading to find out where you're at is good but my line would probalby be lead/fold if reraised. Being the smaller stack that repopped you, anywhere but the buble it's probably a call hoping he has KQ or smaller pair but on the bubble most guys at that level will not shove without made hands. 3 to 2 odds not exactly fantastic though. I'll leave a definitive opinion to someone smarter than me but I think i fold cause i'm a nit with mid pairs.

    Last hand I dont like flatting, but i think the result is the same in the end whether you raise or limp. If you've seen him do the bb shove steal a lot then maybe not a bad idea as you'll be ahead pretty much every time but if you limp and he checks and AKx flop hits do you know where you stand? I'd raise 2.5x if that's standard and in this case he's shoving anyways so just gotta hope to hold. UL IMO

    GUess that's my two cents, wont be surprised if someone refutes 1 or 2 of my opinions but I welcome it since I'm well aware I'm not exactly an expert poker player.
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