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Should I have check-folded this?

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  1. UNHClown UNHClown is offline

    Northborough, MA
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    Jul 31st, 2006 (7/31/2006 8:19pm)

    i'm a long time lurker and this is my first post...this was on the FT of a $5 tourney ...wondering if i should have check-folded this on the flop? or if my move would usually take it down?

    pokerstars Game #5751757132: Tournament #28909806, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (8000/16000) - 2006/07/31 - 20:07:46 (ET)
    Table '28909806 101' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: Leonardo21 (247083 in chips)
    Seat 3: martenmania (212369 in chips)
    Seat 5: Wow ur bad (193153 in chips)
    Seat 6: UNHClown (135994 in chips)
    Seat 7: Radfoss3 (393155 in chips)
    Seat 9: toloose (169746 in chips)
    Leonardo21: posts the ante 800
    martenmania: posts the ante 800
    Wow ur bad: posts the ante 800
    UNHClown: posts the ante 800
    Radfoss3: posts the ante 800
    toloose: posts the ante 800
    martenmania: posts small blind 8000
    Wow ur bad: posts big blind 16000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to UNHClown [Ad Qs]
    UNHClown: raises 32000 to 48000
    Radfoss3: folds
    toloose: calls 48000
    Leonardo21: folds
    martenmania: folds
    Wow ur bad: folds
    *** FLOP *** [3c Th 8d]
    UNHClown: bets 87194 and is all-in
    toloose: calls 87194
    UNHClown said, "gg"
    *** TURN *** [3c Th 8d] [6h]
    Leonardo21 said, "vnh"
    *** RIVER *** [3c Th 8d 6h] [5d]
    toloose said, "gg"
    martenmania said, "gg clown"
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    UNHClown: shows [Ad Qs] (high card Ace)
    toloose: shows [8s 8c] (three of a kind, Eights)
    Radfoss3 said, "gg"
    toloose collected 299188 from pot
    Wow ur bad said, "iight buddy"
    Radfoss3 said, "nh"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 299188 | Rake 0
    Board [3c Th 8d 6h 5d]
    Seat 2: Leonardo21 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: martenmania (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: Wow ur bad (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: UNHClown showed [Ad Qs] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 7: Radfoss3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: toloose showed [8s 8c] and won (299188) with three of a kind, Eights

    it took toloose a while to call so i put him on a range KQ QJ AJ or low pp...and figured he would definitely fold....check-folding woulda left me about 85k with blinds coming so that really didnt cross my mind. any help is appreciated...thanks
  2. tmacckk tmacckk is offline

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    Jul 31st, 2006 (7/31/2006 8:59pm) in reply to UNHClown

    i think this is a check fold mainly for one reason. while there are a large amount of chips in the pot, you have to figure that the only hand you're going to get called by is a hand that beats you. even if it's 2,2 you're still an underdog. you had a little over 89,000 left so maybe a continuation bet of 20,000 then fold when he raises or if he flat calls, a check fold on the turn. while this will leave you short stacked, you won't be out.
  3. jay_shark jay_shark is offline

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    Jul 31st, 2006 (7/31/2006 9:33pm) in reply to tmacckk

    You might as well push all in and pray before the flop .
  4. Passiveplay Passiveplay is offline

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    Jul 31st, 2006 (7/31/2006 9:55pm) in reply to jay_shark

    I would agree, if you going to put close to 1/3 of you chips in pf you might as well go all in, you dont' have much fold equity. You have less then 10x the BB so you are basically a short stack and AQ is too good to fold. If the 88 calls your bet (which he probably will) you lose, but you may get a tight player player to fold an 88 in that situation. You have to win coin flips to win when the blinds get high.
     
  5. LesW LesW is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2006 (8/1/2006 5:55am) in reply to Passiveplay

    6 handed AQo is great to steal blinds with but you have to understand in your case you are playing for your whole stack by raising 1/3 preflop OOP. Against any 2 random cards that would call preflop I think your play is slightly +EV.

    A min raise here UTG is very good as well as a push. He may not call with 88 if you have the right image.
  6. rppkoz rppkoz is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2006 (8/1/2006 10:07am) in reply to UNHClown

    Push preflop. Win races.
     
  7. TheMayor TheMayor is offline

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    Aug 1st, 2006 (8/1/2006 4:54pm) in reply to tmacckk

    The problem i see with check folding, is leaving yourself open to a bluff if you BOTH missed and he has an even worse hand (KQ or AJ?). You can get some better hands to fold by pushing(pairs lower than ten that didnt hit a set).

    Do you guys not worry about an inferior hand taking the pot away if you check the flop after showing strength preflop? I think i try to represent JJ+ here and push just like you did. If you hadnt ran into a set you would probably take the pot down on the flop here the majority of the time.
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