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Should I have checked the river with Royal Flush??

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  1. makeaporno makeaporno is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2009 (8/2/2009 2:29am)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #13761928536: Table Trial (6 max, deep) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:21:43 ET - 2009/08/02
    Seat 1: 1Timothy ($198.50)
    Seat 2: Arnz18 ($204)
    Seat 3: nsj4897 ($143.95)
    Seat 4: linryi1 ($89.20)
    Seat 5: For_Janis ($198)
    Seat 6: bertkc ($338)
    For_Janis posts the small blind of $0.50
    bertkc posts the big blind of $1
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to For_Janis [Ac Tc]
    1Timothy folds
    Arnz18 folds
    nsj4897 raises to $3.50
    linryi1 folds
    For_Janis raises to $7.50
    bertkc folds
    nsj4897 calls $4
    *** FLOP *** [Jc 9h 4s]
    For_Janis bets $22
    nsj4897 calls $22
    *** TURN *** [Jc 9h 4s] [Qc]
    For_Janis has 15 seconds left to act
    For_Janis has requested TIME
    For_Janis bets $33
    nsj4897 calls $33
    *** RIVER *** [Jc 9h 4s Qc] [Kc]
    For_Janis has 15 seconds left to act
    For_Janis has requested TIME
    For_Janis bets $34
    nsj4897 has 15 seconds left to act
    nsj4897 has timed out
    nsj4897 folds
    nsj4897 adds $18.55
    nsj4897 is sitting out
    Uncalled bet of $34 returned to For_Janis
    For_Janis mucks
    For_Janis wins the pot ($123)

    (also hidden brag about first royal flush ^^)
  2. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2009 (8/2/2009 2:36am) in reply to makeaporno

    yes u shoulda checked and hope for him to bluff again. I don't think he can "call" here
     
  3. snowman2k6 snowman2k6 is offline DO NOT TRADE -- MONEY TRANSFER SCAMMER

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    Aug 2nd, 2009 (8/2/2009 2:39am) in reply to Appst08

    meh i like a bet on river.
  4. makeaporno makeaporno is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2009 (8/2/2009 2:40am) in reply to snowman2k6

    he called my $33 lead on the turn so I was suprised he didnt call me :(
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  5. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2009 (8/2/2009 2:42am) in reply to makeaporno

     
    Originally Posted by makeaporno View Post

    he called my $33 lead on the turn so I was suprised he didnt call me :(

    i just love that it looks like your scared of the flush/straight card that came out.
     
  6. skysnolimit skysnolimit is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2009 (8/2/2009 3:52am) in reply to makeaporno

    It doesn't really matter, I mean honestly how many times are you gonna hit run run royal and be in that position?
  7. boris64 boris64 is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2009 (8/2/2009 4:04am) in reply to skysnolimit

     
    Originally Posted by skysnolimit View Post

    It doesn't really matter, I mean honestly how many times are you gonna hit run run royal and be in that position?

    Ironically it happened to me today lol:
    Finished 45th doing stupid shit :/

    Full Tilt Poker Game #13758630194: The Fifty-Fifty (99488316), Table 69 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:43:46 ET -
    2009/08/01
    Seat 1: Gettings (1,810)
    Seat 2: GMPK (3,841)
    Seat 3: cbraswell300 (10,610)
    Seat 4: MISTERBREEDJEA (4,605)
    Seat 5: darbysuckling (2,145)
    Seat 6: Boris Wayan (4,130)
    Seat 7: Jesus Alice (5,640)
    Seat 8: BAKA47 (3,000)
    Seat 9: WeavieK (3,725)
    MISTERBREEDJEA posts the small blind of 40
    darbysuckling posts the big blind of 80
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Boris Wayan [Jh Qh] Boris Wayan calls 80
    Jesus Alice folds
    BAKA47 folds
    WeavieK folds
    Gettings folds
    GMPK calls 80
    cbraswell300 folds
    MISTERBREEDJEA folds
    darbysuckling checks
    *** FLOP *** [4c Kh Jd]
    darbysuckling checks
    Boris Wayan bets 160
    GMPK calls 160
    darbysuckling folds
    *** TURN *** [4c Kh Jd] [Ah]
    Boris Wayan bets 160
    GMPK calls 160
    *** RIVER *** [4c Kh Jd Ah] [Th]
    Boris Wayan has 15 seconds left to act
    Boris Wayan bets 640
    GMPK has 15 seconds left to act
    GMPK calls 640

    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Boris Wayan shows [Jh Qh] a Royal Flush GMPK mucks
    Boris Wayan wins the pot (2,200) with a Royal Flush
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2,200 | Rake 0
    Board: [4c Kh Jd Ah Th]
    Seat 1: Gettings didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 2: GMPK mucked [6h Ad] - a pair of Aces
    Seat 3: cbraswell300 (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 4: MISTERBREEDJEA (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: darbysuckling (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: Boris Wayan showed [Jh Qh] and won (2,200) with a Royal Flush
    Seat 7: Jesus Alice didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 8: BAKA47 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 9: WeavieK didn't bet (folded)
  8. skysnolimit skysnolimit is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2009 (8/2/2009 4:06am) in reply to boris64

    nice life them royal flushers have :/
  9. gguk2008 gguk2008 is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2009 (8/2/2009 6:20am) in reply to makeaporno

    I'm betting. But it's such a shitty card on the River.

    Puts an unlikely flush out there, but he's now looking at any hand with a Ten in it killing him (and he's unlikely to have one of the last 3). You made a small 3-bet preflop making it look like a premium hand and unless he made 2 pair + he's not going to come along.

    Checking on the River will just achieve what he wanted to do: hero-call you down and hope he's good, and checking the River with showdown value.
  10. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2009 (8/2/2009 8:27am) in reply to makeaporno

    You're really not going to accomplish anything by checking, unless you've got some sick history w/ villain and think he'll spazz out with whatever he has on the river if you check. That said, he may spazz if you make a weak looking bet as well. So let's just assume, since you didn't give reads/stats on villain, that he's on the passive/call station-y side (prob a fair guess)...

    Ultimately, bet sizing on the river is the real issue. You need to make it either quite small or very big, and you should base this on what you think his range is for calling pre (note: wide, especially since your 3-bet is so small), calling the flop, and calling the turn. If you think he's likely to have a T (i.e. QTs, JTs, TT), then you should make a large bet since if he's calling a smaller bet (i.e. 1/3 pot to 1/2 pot) most of the time, then he's almost certainly calling a bigger bet most of the time too (if stacks were deeper I'd bet somewhere near pot, but since villain doesn't have a full pot bet left, I'd probably bet like $2 less than what puts him all in... it's a thing I like doing vs passive fish that seem to loathe the idea of calling a bet for their entire stack w/o the nuts, but will convince themselves to call a bet for "not quite" their entire stack. you'd be surrised how often this works vs the right villain lol).

    The argument for betting small is obv to entice villain to call with whatever he has. Unfortunately, imo, I think the majority of his range that does NOT include a Ten is going to be 1pr hands, since sets/2pr hands are very likely to raise either the flop or turn (unless of course he hit 2pr on the river, i.e. KQ/KJ... which are certainly in his range).

    With those things said, I think betting big is the best choice on the river. I think the majority of the time he's either going to have a hand he's always usually/always calling with (straight or some weird flush, i.e. 87cc), or he has a hand that isn't going to call anything but a microscopic bet. Plus, some % of the time when we bet big, he's going to convince himself that his hand is good and/or we're bluffing and he'll make the hero call w/ something like KJ, poorly played set, etc.
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  11. SJCX SJCX is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2009 (8/2/2009 9:21am) in reply to shanetrain22

    You have to bet the river, way too many hands he'll check behind with. I'd make a small value bet and hope he can at least call you.
     
  12. ThumbsUp_Pal ThumbsUp_Pal is offline

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    Aug 2nd, 2009 (8/2/2009 9:30am) in reply to SJCX

    no you shouldnt
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