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Should I have played this hand different? (flopped set in 1K with horrible turn and river)

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  1. brsavage brsavage is offline Spontaneous Benefactor

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    Sep 18th, 2007 (9/18/2007 9:17pm)

    I led right into the raiser with bottom set, but froze with the flush and straight card on the turn, then had to fold the river when the board made a straight and there was still the flush possible. I had a smallish but not desperate stack to start the hand, and thought about shoving the flop to represent a draw, but instead tried to build a pot.

    How would you have played it?

    pokerstars Game #12137306847: Tournament #61162288, $1000+$50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/09/18 - 21:07:14 (ET)
    Table '61162288 43' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: ActionJeff (3370 in chips)
    Seat 2: TheNew (3225 in chips)
    Seat 3: Tmay420 (2581 in chips)
    Seat 4: Bill Ivey (2045 in chips)
    Seat 5: Roothlus (2260 in chips)
    Seat 6: brsavage (2840 in chips)
    Seat 7: thechemist83 (6266 in chips)
    Seat 8: AlusivPnkBny (3393 in chips)
    Seat 9: maxypaxy (4215 in chips)
    thechemist83: posts small blind 50
    AlusivPnkBny: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to brsavage [2d 2s]
    maxypaxy: folds
    ActionJeff: raises 175 to 275
    TheNew: folds
    Tmay420: folds
    Bill Ivey: calls 275
    Roothlus: folds
    brsavage: calls 275
    thechemist83: folds
    AlusivPnkBny: folds
    *** FLOP *** [4c 2h 3h]
    ActionJeff: checks
    Bill Ivey: checks
    brsavage: bets 700
    ActionJeff: calls 700
    Bill Ivey: folds
    *** TURN *** [4c 2h 3h] [5h]
    ActionJeff: checks
    brsavage: checks
    *** RIVER *** [4c 2h 3h 5h] [Ad]
    ActionJeff: bets 2395 and is all-in
    brsavage: folds
    brsavage said, "smd I obv flopped a set"
    ActionJeff collected 2375 from pot
    ActionJeff: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2375 | Rake 0
    Board [4c 2h 3h 5h Ad]
    Seat 1: ActionJeff collected (2375)
    Seat 2: TheNew folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Tmay420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Bill Ivey folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: Roothlus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: brsavage (button) folded on the River
    Seat 7: thechemist83 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: AlusivPnkBny (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: maxypaxy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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  2. Suthereader Suthereader is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2007 (9/18/2007 9:21pm) in reply to brsavage

    No you played it like a champ...especially against ActionJeff...he knows how balla you are...
  3. DonTerrifico DonTerrifico is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2007 (9/18/2007 9:31pm) in reply to Suthereader

    Thats a difficult hand to play, hard to put AJ on a hand since hes such a tricky player. You should have called the river bet though hes bluffing in that spot more times than not.
  4. H-Bomb H-Bomb is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2007 (9/18/2007 9:46pm) in reply to brsavage

    gross
  5. sketchy1 sketchy1 is offline Dangerzone

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    Sep 18th, 2007 (9/18/2007 9:50pm) in reply to brsavage

    damn, sick, gross... prolly wp. i play it the same way.
      

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  6. Stupor_Mundi Stupor_Mundi is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2007 (9/18/2007 9:56pm) in reply to brsavage

    I think I shove this flop, especially since AJ will seriously outplay me in pots in the long run, the draws on the flop just make it more obvious. However, you obviously don't take this view toward AJ, so building a pot (especially if he might shove a draw here) is not a bad idea.
  7. ndgrinder59 ndgrinder59 is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2007 (9/18/2007 10:29pm) in reply to Stupor_Mundi

    rofl @ shove flop......hand was played fine, but i really thing your choppin on the river obv can't call
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  8. brsavage brsavage is offline Spontaneous Benefactor

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    Sep 18th, 2007 (9/18/2007 10:31pm) in reply to Stupor_Mundi

    No, obv I would be a fool not to consider my opponent in the hand, and I came very close to shoving the flop, especially since it was an ep raise and I easily thought he could put me on a draw with him holding an overpair.
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  9. FishOnTilt FishOnTilt is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2007 (9/18/2007 10:44pm) in reply to brsavage

    i think this was a pretty standard hand, not much u can do here.
     
  10. busto_soon busto_soon is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2007 (9/18/2007 11:30pm) in reply to brsavage

    - Can someone explain the flop c/c?
    - What specific range do you put him on at the river?
    edit: Did you consider a fold pre?
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  11. FishOnTilt FishOnTilt is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2007 (9/18/2007 11:37pm) in reply to busto_soon

    do u think he could have 66 or does he cbet 66 like every time?
     
  12. ipwntable ipwntable is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2007 (9/18/2007 11:57pm) in reply to FishOnTilt

    He knows that most people think call on river cuz of spilt, but I put him on A10hh AJhh etc. He might know u limped with a pp in position, especially after ur flop bet, he knows something is up, I truely believe he had a heart draw on flop, and tried to get u to fire again on turn, but u was to smart to fall into his check raise, and he tried to make it look like a bluff-steal on river.
  13. d2themfi d2themfi is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 12:34am) in reply to brsavage

    yeash isnt this a ridiculously standard preflop fold. Ur pretty muc spewing chips callign with these stacks and ur position, coupled with the fact that it is a very good player ur hoping to extract from
     
  14. northstar575 northstar575 is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 12:40am) in reply to brsavage

    With your stack size no way you should be flat calling here preflop.

    Turn really sucks and honestly hard to say what to do since you have such a small stack.

    otherwsie i think fold is ok on river.
  15. MattyDaCobra MattyDaCobra is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 1:07am) in reply to brsavage

    I'm confused by his call on the flop. I feel that with an over pair he would have led that flop and with Axhh he would lead or maybe check-raise all-in. The only thing I can see flatting your flop bet is something like KQhh, in which case the hand would play out as it did. Your chopping river at best, and very possibly scooped here and the fold is therefore correct. I think you played it fine.
     
  16. sandler1860 sandler1860 is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 1:14am) in reply to MattyDaCobra

    I take the same exact line, unlucky turn and/or river.
     
  17. stevie444 stevie444 is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2007 (9/19/2007 1:48am) in reply to brsavage

    I would have folded preflop. Also im fairly sure he would check raise all in with a flush draw and overs on the flop, no?. From HIS perspective he can be fairly sure you dont have a 6 bcos the only hand you call preflop with that has a 6 in it is 66 and you would have bet that on the turn. The only way you could have a flush is with a hand like AKhh/AQhh/AJhh so if he knows you dont have that he can shove the river with any holding. Sooooo, maybe he has like AhKx. I think this kinda fits how he plays the hand and I cant think of many other hands he would logically play this way. That said I have very limited experiance of playing with AJ and maybe I am just overthinking things. Even with this read it would be very difficult to call on the river for half the pot but I probably do call and look like a donk when he flips his flush. I guess it just depends on how I am feeling at the time and how much I feel like trusting my read - i actually probably end up folding, idk tho.
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