Check out our brand new Local Poker Communities! Get updates and interact with poker players in your area.
Visit the United States Poker Community | Visit the California Poker Community | Read more about the Launch of P5s Local

should i have raised here?

Reply to Thread
  1. sleepi sleepi is offline

    Webster, NY
    United States

    Posts: 521
    Joined: Sep 06

    Sep 12th, 2007 (9/12/2007 3:22am)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #3537846525: $17,000 Guarantee (26488761), Table 87 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:15:52 ET - 2007/09/12
    Seat 1: Skylight12 (6,690)
    Seat 2: porter1 (4,445)
    Seat 3: Brainfreeze99 (17,663)
    Seat 4: Clamper13 (8,842)
    Seat 5: OMGWTFBBQZ (10,797)
    Seat 6: Ecko02001 (11,168)
    Seat 7: SteeeamRaise (5,695)
    Seat 8: Loungecat11 (7,970)
    Seat 9: styleWcash (7,194)
    Skylight12 antes 50
    porter1 antes 50
    Brainfreeze99 antes 50
    Clamper13 antes 50
    OMGWTFBBQZ antes 50
    Ecko02001 antes 50
    SteeeamRaise antes 50
    Loungecat11 antes 50
    styleWcash antes 50
    OMGWTFBBQZ posts the small blind of 200
    Ecko02001 posts the big blind of 400
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to OMGWTFBBQZ [9d Th]
    SteeeamRaise folds
    Loungecat11 calls 400
    styleWcash folds
    Skylight12 calls 400
    porter1 folds
    Brainfreeze99 folds
    Clamper13 folds
    OMGWTFBBQZ calls 200
    Ecko02001 checks
    *** FLOP *** [Td Ac 5h]
    OMGWTFBBQZ checks
    Ecko02001 checks
    Loungecat11 checks
    Skylight12 checks
    *** TURN *** [Td Ac 5h] [9s]
    OMGWTFBBQZ bets 1,700
    Ecko02001 folds
    Loungecat11 calls 1,700
    Skylight12 folds
    *** RIVER *** [Td Ac 5h 9s] [7d]
    OMGWTFBBQZ checks
    Loungecat11 bets 1,600
    OMGWTFBBQZ calls 1,600
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Loungecat11 shows [Qd Ah] a pair of Aces
    OMGWTFBBQZ shows [9d Th] two pair, Tens and Nines
    OMGWTFBBQZ wins the pot (8,650) with two pair, Tens and Nines
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 8,650 | Rake 0
    Board: [Td Ac 5h 9s 7d]
    Seat 1: Skylight12 folded on the Turn
    Seat 2: porter1 folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: Brainfreeze99 folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: Clamper13 (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: OMGWTFBBQZ (small blind) showed [9d Th] and won (8,650) with two pair, Tens and Nines
    Seat 6: Ecko02001 (big blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 7: SteeeamRaise folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: Loungecat11 showed [Qd Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
    Seat 9: styleWcash folded before the Flop

    didn't think he had an ace cause he didn't lead out. when he called the turn thought, he had QJ or something and just checked so he would bet a busted draw or in case he hit a straight. felt like i missed a chance to stack him, am i being too results oriented or what?
  2. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

    Westland, MI
    United States

    Posts: 6,364
    Joined: Mar 06

    Sep 12th, 2007 (9/12/2007 9:35am) in reply to sleepi

    I'm with you, you can't put him on much of an ace here. So, let's look here, you checked the flop, good move. You lead out hitting 2 pair, I like that, he flat calls you.

    He might have an ace here, but likely not a strong ace. He might have hit 2 pair or better, and with an ace, that beats you. He might have hit a straight, might have a busted draw also.

    Busted draws fold to a raise. Straight or 2 pair beats you. Small ace might pay you off of a raise, big ace will pay you off.

    You said yourself you couldn't put him on an ace, and I agree with you here. With those out, there is no reason to do anything on the river other than what you did. By check/calling, you are getting the max out of him on the hands that you are beating, and you are limiting your losses on the hands you are losing too.

    When someone completely misplays their hand, you won't get as much out of them as you could have, but look, he should (for all intensive purposes) have beat you. He raises pre, you fold. He bets a good bet on the flop, you fold. He let you win this hand, so his bad play won you this pot. So, I don't think you can stress about how much you got too much, since it was all a gift.

    Though, do make a note how he plays big hands, so if you get this way with him again, you definitely raise this hand, since you have a read.
  3. deadeyed deadeyed is offline

    United Kingdom

    Posts: 458
    Joined: Jul 06

    Sep 12th, 2007 (9/12/2007 9:44am) in reply to sleepi

    lol at the pre flop limp with AQ, he played it pretty bad and i think you got good value out of him. Take the nice pot and make a player note on him.
  4. finewhine finewhine is offline

    Las Vegas, NV
    United States

    Posts: 861
    Joined: Nov 06

    Sep 12th, 2007 (9/12/2007 1:00pm) in reply to sleepi

    A perfect example of how bad play leads to a bigger chip stack for you. No, you shouldn't raise, you have no idea what this donk has. Calling is the correct play.
  5. PValente PValente is offline

    United States

    Posts: 20
    Joined: Aug 07

    Sep 12th, 2007 (9/12/2007 4:51pm) in reply to sleepi

    I like your play. Definately no reraise on the river. The only thing i can see is that you probably should have value bet the river instead of trying to induce the bluff. Maybe come out and bet like 3,000 on the river. But the check/call worked fine too.

    *Also make a note on this guy that he likes to set traps.
  6. shady1128 shady1128 is offline

    Buffalo, NY
    United States

    Posts: 602
    Joined: Aug 07

    Sep 12th, 2007 (9/12/2007 8:33pm) in reply to PValente

    if he leads the river and gets re-raised what's he going to do? Probably fold the best hand...do what you did, by checking you lose the least when you're beat and get a bet you wouldn't have if your opponent bluffs...there are few hands you're beating that you'll get to call a bet
  7. PValente PValente is offline

    United States

    Posts: 20
    Joined: Aug 07

    Sep 12th, 2007 (9/12/2007 9:09pm) in reply to shady1128

    I agree if he goes over the top you have to fold. But checking is generally a reverse freeroll. If villain bets out are going to call with your 2 pair, especially since u checked to induce a bluff. So you will mostly let him check behind u with the worst hand or bet and get called with the best hand (unless he is a total donk like this guy and he bets his A here, but this is a rare scenario), so its a lose lose for you. If you bet out you will get called by a number of worse hands and only reraised with hands that you can be sure beat you, so u can usually fold easily.

    *This concept of reverse freerolls is talked about in The Theory of Poker among many others
Reply to Thread

Similar Threads