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Should I have stayed in this hand?

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  1. CoderMan1 CoderMan1 is offline

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    Feb 27th, 2005 (2/27/2005 11:49am)

    Situation:

    2nd to last table of Aruba qualifier. 12 people left, Im about 8th in chips with 20,000

    Im UTG with A K with blinds at 400/800. I raise to 2500. Guy behind me re-raises to like 4000. Everyone folds to the short stack who is on the button. He goes all in for 11,000, and everyone folds around to me. I think long about this one, trying to figure out if I call will I be up against 1 or 2 players. I decide to just call his all-in and the guy behind me calls as well.

    Flop comes out 2x 6 8x. I check, guy behind me goes all-in, pushing me all-in if I call. I think long about this one too. This leaves me with 9,000 in chips if I fold. If I hit my K or A I probly take the hand which would put me in 1st.

    I decide to fold since its obvious one of these guys have high pairs. Possibly AA or KK which would destroy me.

    Guy behind me turns over QQ, short stack AJ. Turn is my winning K, river is nothing. Now I probably should have closed my eyes so I wouldnt have nightmares about that hand....

    Did I make the right move? Was I pot committed already and should have made the call because of that? Funny thing is I ended up losing with QQ on the final table to AJ.
  2. dandickau dandickau is offline

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    Feb 27th, 2005 (2/27/2005 12:11pm) in reply to CoderMan1

    If you're going to play the hand preflop you might as well push all in because you're pot committed regardless of the flop. You knew you were beat on the flop but because of your call preflop you forced yourself into a wrong decision of folding the worst hand. You saved 9000 chips that probably left you in last place. In a tourney you have to win (or top two depending on entries) you're not going to do anything with 9000 chips unless you get ridiculously lucky. AK with a short stack is an automatic all-in unless you have a perfect read on someone and you know they're holding kings or aces. You need to pick your spots (and you can't be too picky) to accumulate chips to get in contention and you're not going to have a much better shot, even though it would have been a coinflip.

    Nice job making it to the final table. Keep up the good work.
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    Feb 27th, 2005 (2/27/2005 12:22pm) in reply to dandickau

    So my mistake was that I should have folded after the all-in or plan on going all-in myself regardless of the flop?

    I figured with 9k I still had enough to double up a couple times to get right back in it, but after sulking for a while I started thinking I should have just went all-in myself and pray for A/K.
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  4. AawwNutz AawwNutz is offline

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    Feb 27th, 2005 (2/27/2005 12:50pm) in reply to CoderMan1

    I would have probably folded after two re-raises. If the 1st and 2nd re-raisers were decent they would have to know that your UTG raise means something. They didn't care, and still went over the top. AJ guy made a very bad play, but you got to give them credit when they make that move. Hindsight is 20/20.

    You know that you are behind to at least one of the two players. You are chasing, so I wouldn't chase with all my chips. If they both have pairs, there's a 35% chance one will hit a set, and you may be drawing dead pretty quick.

    My opinion....
     
  5. dandickau dandickau is offline

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    Feb 27th, 2005 (2/27/2005 3:01pm) in reply to AawwNutz

    Nuts, you're saying you'd fold AK with high blinds and a low stack? I have no problem laying down AK preflop when the action gets heavy but in that situation when I'm low in chips, I'll take a race to triple my stack with AK all day unless the competition is weak enough that I think I can get back into it by taking down a few pots against soft players. If he folds this hand he's even lower in chips and remember he's playing an Aruba satelite where you need to finish in the top 1-2. You've got to gamble at some point to get in contention for the top two spots.
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    Feb 27th, 2005 (2/27/2005 4:08pm) in reply to dandickau

    Lesson learned.
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