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  1. mjarose mjarose is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 7:43pm)

    after talking strategy with my friend, while trying to find the obvious leaks in my game, he says that I am limping too much. Is there ever a time to limp or is it just not something that I should do at all. thanks
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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 7:57pm) in reply to mjarose

    Generally limping is pretty bad. Not a big deal to do it with hands that can flop very well early in tournies that play soft where you are deep stacked after others limp. Also, you can do it for deception at an aggro table with big hands from early position but then you also need to pay attention to your image as this often screams strength.
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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 8:01pm) in reply to Flopnuts1

    Your friend is correct. I very rarely limp. Limping is definitely a big leak.

    Look at the types of hands you're limping with and the positions in which you limp to figure out what to do. Either muck them pre, especially in EP, or open raise.
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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 10:54pm) in reply to arepeek

    i basically never limp when im first to act. generally i only limp when someone limped before me and i have a hand that can flop well and dont think someone else is going to raise after me (unless they raise very small with other callers)
    Edited By: msc Apr 3rd, 2011 at 10:55 PM
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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 10:58pm) in reply to msc

    balance your limping range, limp with AA and 67 suited, 89 of clubs ect, thats what i do and it works well nobody can ever put me on a hand
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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 11:01pm) in reply to Jwilkinson

     
    Originally Posted by Jwilkinson View Post

    balance your raising range, raise with AA and 67 suited, 89 of clubs ect, thats what i do and it works well nobody can ever put me on a hand

    FYP. Seriously though, limping is not a strategy to balance your range. Raising your entire range is the way to properly balance your range.
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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 11:04pm) in reply to tyson219

    If a hand is good enough to play, it's good enough to raise with.
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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 11:08pm) in reply to Jukeboxster

    you can always overlimp ur btns and COs but basically opening when first in
     
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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 11:17pm) in reply to Jukeboxster

     
    Originally Posted by Jukeboxster View Post

    If a hand is good enough to play, it's good enough to raise with.

    try playing LAG to improve your game imo.. for example if you raise 56s in early position and you have one caller who isn't playing retarded and calling everything (common at low levels) and flop comes:

     

    you're first to act and you cbet. what's he calling with here that he called with pre? pocket pairs and maybe floating AK/Q/J, 89s, that's about it. you're taking it down on the flop a lot. (without going into what to do on turn/rivers)

    now to my point:

    now on the flip side had you limped, he might have raised you pre and you'd flat it, then check to him on the flop and he'd bet and you'd have to decide if you wanna call him down or not, with an overcard likely hitting the turn and river, etc.. just gets you into tough spots

    edit: you also get more info out of people by opening instead of limping. if you limp and they raise, they could have a wide range. if you raise and they 3bet, that narrows it quite a lot
    Edited By: msc Apr 3rd, 2011 at 11:19 PM
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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 11:52pm) in reply to ManchVegasPwn

    i agree; balance your range by raising your entire range
    an ex coach of mine also advocated limping at times but the thing is, if it s +ev for some people to limp some hands in some circumstances, it s because those people can play well postflop- as 4 me, i suck postflop so i d rather just raise when i m 1st to act
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    Apr 4th, 2011 (4/4/2011 7:32pm) in reply to luckierno7

    great feedback! thanks guys
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