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  1. gentleben gentleben is offline

    Villa Park, IL
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    Sep 28th, 2007 (9/28/2007 1:46am)

    pokerstars Game #12312520901: Tournament #62477730, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2007/09/28 - 01:37:55 (ET)
    Table '62477730 2' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: gentleben13 (4873 in chips)
    Seat 2: ryansrun (11190 in chips)
    Seat 3: TheChipHunta (4125 in chips)
    Seat 4: ramos61 (10349 in chips)
    Seat 5: Galvanic (7370 in chips)
    Seat 6: aznman4 (5690 in chips)
    Seat 7: pokerpete34 (7860 in chips)
    Seat 8: ChessSafari (7455 in chips)
    Seat 9: thuth80955 (5360 in chips)
    gentleben13: posts the ante 25
    ryansrun: posts the ante 25
    TheChipHunta: posts the ante 25
    ramos61: posts the ante 25
    Galvanic: posts the ante 25
    aznman4: posts the ante 25
    pokerpete34: posts the ante 25
    ChessSafari: posts the ante 25
    thuth80955: posts the ante 25
    TheChipHunta: posts small blind 150
    ramos61: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to gentleben13 [Qs Ah]
    Galvanic: folds
    aznman4: folds
    pokerpete34: folds
    ChessSafari: folds
    thuth80955: raises 600 to 900
    gentleben13:

    I'll give the results and my reasoning after some replies. Thanks
  2. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2007 (9/28/2007 3:01am) in reply to gentleben

    This is a spot I often have problems with and I think it's player dependant. I will never call here so it's either push or fold for me. Against a typical 4.40 player I'm probably shoving. If he's a 4.40 grinder playing 10-12% of hands then I'm probably folding. Based on his OPR numbers though (-55% ROI) I'm probably shoving.

    What kind've player was he? Loose? Tight? Aggressive? PAssive?
     
  3. gentleben gentleben is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2007 (9/28/2007 4:21am) in reply to rivverkiller

    He was a pretty loose player and i figured that his calling range was about the same as his raising range which i put at something like A8+, KJ+, 77+. I shoved, he called with AJ and i held. Afterward tho I was thinking about it, and it seemed somewhat marginal and wanted to kno what otehrs thought.
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  4. 1.21Gigawatts 1.21Gigawatts is online now

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    Sep 28th, 2007 (9/28/2007 6:20am) in reply to gentleben

    I'm shoving here all day, and I'm shoving worse hands than AQ.

    And his calling range is a lot tighter than you think. He doesn't have the chip stack to afford making a call with A8 or KJ.

    And your play is anything but marginal. When he folds, you increase your chips stack by 30%. When he calls and you win, you're in fantastic shape.
  5. TheMayor TheMayor is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2007 (9/28/2007 11:32am) in reply to gentleben

    You've got the perfect stack to shove against this guy. Resteal here with a lot worse than AQ if you haven't been overly active recently to the point that they will spite call you.
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