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To shove or not to shove?

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  1. BFMEANDTAKEALMYMONEY BFMEANDTAKEALMYMONEY is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2011 (8/12/2011 6:58pm)

    Merge - $0+$0.00|<> NL - Holdem - 9 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

    16 people left in the 11R\A 5,500G .trying to win

    SB: 36,966.00
    BB: 126,051.00
    UTG: 98,241.00
    UTG+1: 45,057.00
    MP: 112,311.00
    MP+1: 125,666.00
    LP: 157,824.00
    CO: 92,032.00
    hero (BTN): 35,577.00

    SB posts ante 400.00, BB posts ante 400.00, UTG posts ante 400.00, UTG+1 posts ante 400.00, MP posts ante 400.00, MP+1 posts ante 400.00, LP posts ante 400.00, CO posts ante 400.00, Hero posts ante 400.00, SB posts SB 2,000.00, BB posts BB 4,000.00

    Pre Flop: (9600.00) Hero has 5:diamond: 5:spade:

    UTG calls 4,000.00, fold, MP calls 4,000.00, fold, LP calls 4,000.00, CO raises to 14,500.00, Hero raises to 35,177.00 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 20,677.00

    Flop: (91954.00, 2 players) 4:spade: Q:heart: 6:diamond:

    Turn: (91954.00, 2 players) 8:spade:

    River: (91954.00, 2 players) 6:club:

    CO shows A:spade: A:diamond: (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes) (PreFlop 82%, Flop 87%, Turn 86%)
    Hero shows 5:diamond: 5:spade: (Two Pair, Sixes and Fives) (PreFlop 18%, Flop 13%, Turn 14%)
    CO wins 91,954.00
  2. My07pipedream My07pipedream is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2011 (8/12/2011 7:22pm) in reply to BFMEANDTAKEALMYMONEY

    IMO you have no fold equity and best case scenerio your flipping.....

    wait for a better spot?
  3. BFMEANDTAKEALMYMONEY BFMEANDTAKEALMYMONEY is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2011 (8/12/2011 7:39pm) in reply to My07pipedream

    i thought it was pretty close.... kinda of tough decision wanted to get other people opinions.........
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  4. zod300 zod300 is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2011 (8/12/2011 9:46pm) in reply to BFMEANDTAKEALMYMONEY

    With 3 limps and a small raise from cutoff it seems like a easy fold with 55 here even tho u only have 9 blinds. I guess if u only had 3 blinds u could gamble but with 9 bigs and some more semi free hands I'd rather ship it in 1st with a wide range and the all important fold equity. Gl in the future
     
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    Aug 12th, 2011 (8/12/2011 10:56pm) in reply to zod300

    Lots of dead money in the pot, i dont think the shove there is that bad if u knew villain does this very light vs limpers. If villain was tightish id fold all day but with all the money in the pot id be happy to gamble and take a flip vs some opponents. U had pt3 running, was that guy agro? I mean the 3 limpers have all biggish stacks, i raise there with like any suited connector and my monsters, and most likely would take a flop with most of my pockets. And u would be the only player id be afraid of cause u have a small stack and could shove and i would be forced to call u with my 78s or something, but that spot looks sweet to me to raise in the cutoff. I at least like your shove for the reasons i stated.
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  6. zod300 zod300 is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2011 (8/13/2011 12:11am) in reply to RedIceRap

    ^^^ unless u have seen the villain get out of line I doubt this 3.5x the bb raise after 3 limpers is weak here esp. On merge. If this was stars in a mid stake mtt I'd consider maybe the villain is weak but I doubt it here most of the play on merge is str8 forward from what I've seen maybe I have not played enough. I get your possible dead money point but I just don't c him in a flip enough to make it + EV. I'd like to hear more thoughts on hand since we are all trying to learn more. GL all
     
  7. double_kyan double_kyan is online now

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    Aug 13th, 2011 (8/13/2011 1:19am) in reply to zod300

    i def do not like the guy raising a confident amount on 2 limpers it shows nothn but strngth
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    Aug 13th, 2011 (8/13/2011 11:21am) in reply to UKKage

    id rather jam 23 off suit first in the pot next hand than jam here
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    Aug 13th, 2011 (8/13/2011 12:00pm) in reply to aces_up4108

    def fold here..if the raiser hasn`t been too out of line earlier then obv fold. You could get more callers behind also.
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  10. finewhine finewhine is offline

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    Aug 15th, 2011 (8/15/2011 12:56am) in reply to Mavericci

    Agree with the folders. You've got some time to see some hands and get some fold equity.
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    Aug 15th, 2011 (8/15/2011 1:06am) in reply to finewhine

    i think you gotta get it in there. you've got such a good shot at getting heads up against overs. the pot odds alone make this pretty close to +chip EV, but this has to easily be +cash EV. honestly this spot gives me a boner.
    Edited By: gjallen1975 Aug 15th, 2011 at 01:06 AM
  12. douglasfryan douglasfryan is offline

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    Aug 15th, 2011 (8/15/2011 5:52am) in reply to gjallen1975

    pretty close spot here, dont mind the shove, you only have 9bbs and i tihnk you are flipping here a very high percentage of the time, and with the dead money the limpers and blinds have in i think its worth it, at the same time folding and waiting to open shove in the next few hands isnt bad either but you are still going to be gambling big time unless you get lucky and get a huge hand soon
  13. BFMEANDTAKEALMYMONEY BFMEANDTAKEALMYMONEY is offline

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    Aug 15th, 2011 (8/15/2011 6:44am) in reply to douglasfryan

    thanks for all the advice will def. be posting more hands
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