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  1. pockets1975 pockets1975 is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 1:03am)

    I am new to Ultimate Bet and discovered something in their replay function that I find disturbing. Apparently if you call someone's river bet, but then muck because you had the losing hand, it shows your hand anyway in the replay? Wtf kind of bs is this, and why? That's not a rule, how can they do this? Someone told me all the online sites do this but I disagree. Someone please clarify the what and the why.
  2. Drewdaddy19 Drewdaddy19 is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 1:07am) in reply to pockets1975

    Yep they all do as far as I know. Idk what the logic is but im against it too
     
  3. My Brim Low My Brim Low is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 1:26am) in reply to pockets1975

    in live u can ask to see the mucked hand if he calls river bet even if ur not in the hand jus no1 does it cuz they dont wanna be scumbags.
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  4. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 1:26am) in reply to pockets1975

    all online sites do this

    im pretty sure that at a showdown techniquelly ppl have the right to demand to see the cards of the player who wishes to muck.

    in live settings its never rly done but since players could ask to see the site makes it available.

    if ur not at the table u cant see it though so there is that
     
  5. pockets1975 pockets1975 is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 1:35am) in reply to pockets1975

    In 20 some years of playing live and/or watching it on television, I have never ONCE seen anyone ask to see the mucked losing hand....primarily because to muck literally means to throw it into the discard pile. How could you prevent the losing player from mucking his hand, what would be the penalty? He already lost the hand. It's unenforceable. Therefore it couldn't possibly be a rule.
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  6. My Brim Low My Brim Low is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 1:45am) in reply to pockets1975

    wat
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  7. mdshack14 mdshack14 is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 1:48am) in reply to pockets1975

    It's def standard across the sites and I love it. I love being able to see what players at my table are calling down with.
     
  8. fly44 fly44 is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 1:49am) in reply to pockets1975

    Its a rule to prevent collusion. With how easy it is to collude online I think it is vital to help people find the opponents who are colluding against them.
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 1:53am) in reply to fly44

    Thanks, that actually makes the most sense of anything else anyone's said. Although even so proving collusion is about impossible....given the kind of nonsense hands people legitimately pay you off with! Plus anytime you mention such a thing on here they airmail your post to the "bad beats" bin & the poker sites just ignore your email, so I'm not sure what they're worried about, ha ha.
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 2:23am) in reply to pockets1975

     
    Originally Posted by pockets1975 View Post

    In 20 some years of playing live and/or watching it on television, I have never ONCE seen anyone ask to see the mucked losing hand....primarily because to muck literally means to throw it into the discard pile. How could you prevent the losing player from mucking his hand, what would be the penalty? He already lost the hand. It's unenforceable. Therefore it couldn't possibly be a rule.

    lol, watch more???
     
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 3:30am) in reply to Iplaythabored

    I used to play Commerce and Bike all the time and I play cash around Vegas and I have seen people ask to see losing players mucked cards numerous times. When some maniac finally gets it all in to see a show down I almost always hear someone say "Both hands please dealer".

    Bad poker etiquette IMO
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 7:59am) in reply to pockets1975

     
    Originally Posted by pockets1975 View Post

    In 20 some years of playing live and/or watching it on television, I have never ONCE seen anyone ask to see the mucked losing hand....primarily because to muck literally means to throw it into the discard pile. How could you prevent the losing player from mucking his hand, what would be the penalty? He already lost the hand. It's unenforceable. Therefore it couldn't possibly be a rule.

    WAT? dont believe you, sorry

    and players are not allowed to put cards in the muck, at least good dealers know this.
    this is the most abused and misunderstood rule in poker.
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 9:30am) in reply to pockets1975

    You bet I call you show first standard..if I muck you can ask to see my cards....dealer is obligated to flip for all to see. I play a lot more live poker and while it doesn't happen that often I've requested the flip.. usually against some obno agressive jerk.
    usually tilts them out advantage me.
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 10:56am) in reply to okse54

     
    Originally Posted by okse54 View Post

    techniquelly

    Holy crap.
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 11:03am) in reply to Kreuznagel

     
    Originally Posted by okse54 View Post

    techniquelly

    Holy crap

    Edit: yeh i suck at quoting, but i agree! lol
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 11:26am) in reply to pockets1975

    old people are funny.
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 11:40am) in reply to pockets1975

    Love this feature on FTP; you can see the donks calling you down with air, 2nd pair, etc...by hitting "LAST HAND"
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 2:03pm) in reply to Iplaythabored

     
    Originally Posted by Iplaythabored View Post

    lol, watch more???

    maybe you should play more than 1 hand a year then....happens all the time live. You always have a jack ass at the table that wants to see the cards.
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 2:13pm) in reply to bobhica_10

    Back in 07' I played 2-5 at Borgata pretty much everyday with the same regular who asked to see both players' hand every time on river. The dealer obv has to show both hands if asked but it caused so much shit between all of the players that after a few weeks I just avoided playing at same table with this guy if I could.
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 2:18pm) in reply to My Brim Low

     
    Originally Posted by My Brim Low View Post

    in live u can ask to see the mucked hand if he calls river bet even if ur not in the hand jus no1 does it cuz they dont wanna be scumbags.

    got it.
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