Full Tilt Poker Game #13089321395: $200,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (93702496), Table 13 - 1000/2000 Ante 250 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:02:21 ET - 2009/06/28
Seat 2: jellycz (199,221)
Seat 3: LEADBOOTS (59,567)
Seat 4: NIPSMAN (49,654)
Seat 5: CrazyZachary (59,102)
Seat 6: DuckU (92,559)
Seat 7: audifan (29,442)
Seat 8: VARICO (40,505)
Seat 9: stevie444 (186,791)
jellycz antes 250
LEADBOOTS antes 250
NIPSMAN antes 250
CrazyZachary antes 250
DuckU antes 250
audifan antes 250
VARICO antes 250
stevie444 antes 250
LEADBOOTS posts the small blind of 1,000
NIPSMAN posts the big blind of 2,000
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NIPSMAN [Ah Kd]
CrazyZachary has 15 seconds left to act
CrazyZachary raises to 4,569
DuckU folds
audifan folds
VARICO has 15 seconds left to act
VARICO calls 4,569
stevie444 folds
jellycz folds
LEADBOOTS folds
NIPSMAN has 15 seconds left to act
NIPSMAN has requested TIME
NIPSMAN folds
*** FLOP *** [Ts 6c Kc]
CrazyZachary has 15 seconds left to act
CrazyZachary has timed out
CrazyZachary checks
VARICO checks
*** TURN *** [Ts 6c Kc] [9s]
CrazyZachary checks
VARICO bets 8,000
CrazyZachary has 15 seconds left to act
CrazyZachary folds
Uncalled bet of 8,000 returned to VARICO
VARICO mucks
VARICO wins the pot (14,138)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 14,138 | Rake 0
Board: [Ts 6c Kc 9s]
Seat 2: jellycz (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: LEADBOOTS (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: NIPSMAN (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: CrazyZachary folded on the Turn
Seat 6: DuckU folded before the Flop
Seat 7: audifan folded before the Flop
Seat 8: VARICO collected (14,138), mucked
Seat 9: stevie444 folded before the FlopFull Tilt Poker Game #13089321395:
I was very happy to see ak here on the bubble because I figured Crazyzachary was raising light utg on the bubble. Then Varico who I knew was a regular and a winning player flatted with a 20 bb stack. This was really sick because we were on the bubble and a flat call with that stack screamed aa or kk to me. I ended up going with my first instinct and made the sickest laydown ive ever made online. Any thoughts? I would love to hear opions from any other mtt high stakes regs. Any body have insight into Varicos game? I believe he is a winning player and could not imagine him flatting without aa or kk, But maybe I am incorrect.

 

Originally Posted by rochustler

level?

does op know we haz an Ace and a King?

Hayden fk everyone in this post, your thinking is dead on, VARICO is a standard reg, ez muck find a better spot IMO

first instinct is obv auto squeeze

but ur correct, varicos flat looks monstrous

having said that, i still push

I think you are crushed most of the time here. That being said I usually go against my instinct and shove. nice fold imo. If he really is a solid player I'm pretty sure he has AA KK or a mislick.

Kinda hard getting decent advice for a great thinking player and this hh proves it. So easy for everyone to stack off w AK every single time and not think it through.

Seems like your thought process is pretty spot on, and I'm sure you can find a better spot like bank said. Very tough spot though, but I think you're probably right. I don't have too much history with Varico but I do know he is a good player who is def a reg. No way he is flatting here with a marginal hand or AQ or worse so I guess you are flipping at best and most likely crushed by KK/AA. Can def find a better spot to get it so I'd say gld.

 

Originally Posted by threeven

I seem to have a very different read on varico

Varico plays farr from nitty/tight/solid/etc. His range is far from KK and AA and I can almost guarantee he doesn't flat those hands vs CrazyZach. I just really dont see how this can ever be a fold. However, I respect the fact that you went with your gut thats really all that matters.

it's varico....shove

ive seen varico flat 67s with 12 bb's before. This is such a super standard snap shove.

More evidence that Nipsman is the latest superuser. He's 100% on his read because he can SEE the hole cards.

 

Originally Posted by hfortye

I guess if he wanted to make his hand look super strong and freeze Crazyzachary on the flop he could flat with a marginal hand here.

He was probably thinking "oh this hand looks pretty I wanna see a flop. I call"

 

Originally Posted by hfortye

Can I please get good feedback.

heres some good feeback for ya, youre fuckin retarded

The fact that you presented this hand so people better understand the higher level of thinking in high buyin MTTs is good...however, I don't think this particular hand warrants a fold solely because of the villain. I don't particularly think its bad to fold in this spot, but I wouldn't justify it by assuming VARICO called with a big hand. I'd have a much easier time folding this if it was a nitty reg.

I happened to pull up the 1k FT and saw this hand...

Seat 1: PreshaDroppa (253,506)
Seat 2: TheStein (436,473)
Seat 4: GreatDANbino (54,629)
Seat 5: tuna_fish_tank (238,184)
Seat 6: holdplz (167,610)
Seat 7: 21boo21 (278,670)
Seat 8: FatalError (80,930)
Seat 9: VARICO (89,998)
PreshaDroppa antes 600
TheStein antes 600
GreatDANbino antes 600
tuna_fish_tank antes 600
holdplz antes 600
21boo21 antes 600
FatalError antes 600
VARICO antes 600
FatalError posts the small blind of 2,500
VARICO posts the big blind of 5,000
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
PreshaDroppa raises to 12,750
TheStein folds
GreatDANbino folds
tuna_fish_tank folds
holdplz folds
21boo21 folds
FatalError folds
VARICO calls 7,750
*** FLOP *** [2h Qc Ah]
VARICO checks
PreshaDroppa checks
*** TURN *** [2h Qc Ah] [9d]
VARICO checks
PreshaDroppa has 15 seconds left to act
PreshaDroppa bets 18,511
VARICO folds
Uncalled bet of 18,511 returned to PreshaDroppa
PreshaDroppa mucks
PreshaDroppa wins the pot (32,800)

It's somewhat similar other than he is in the blind, but I definitely wouild not assume that when he flats a raise with <=20bbs that he is huge.