45left in the sunday 1pm $109. i know that sandler is a strong mtt reg, he just got moved to the table and i have no history with him. what range of hands is he flatting flop with, and what is he shoving riv with? how do i play this riv? do i check-call, and if i bet out for value can i fold or is it just a cooler?

pokerstars Game #44518252186: Tournament #312010447, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (2000/4000) - 2010/05/23 17:53:12 ET
Table '312010447 20' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: vuppi (153268 in chips)
Seat 2: clem2511 (70283 in chips)
Seat 3: dreamtech129 (257808 in chips)
Seat 4: GrimeRat420 (169223 in chips)
Seat 5: KINGAND77 (64923 in chips)
Seat 6: LowVision (140380 in chips)
Seat 7: sandler1860 (140400 in chips)
Seat 8: siola (53088 in chips)
Seat 9: xAndorx (123312 in chips)
vuppi: posts the ante 400
clem2511: posts the ante 400
dreamtech129: posts the ante 400
GrimeRat420: posts the ante 400
KINGAND77: posts the ante 400
LowVision: posts the ante 400
sandler1860: posts the ante 400
siola: posts the ante 400
xAndorx: posts the ante 400
siola: posts small blind 2000
xAndorx: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GrimeRat420 [As Qh]
vuppi: folds
clem2511: folds
dreamtech129: folds
GrimeRat420: raises 4000 to 8000
KINGAND77: folds
LowVision: calls 8000
sandler1860: calls 8000
siola: folds
xAndorx: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 2h 2c]
GrimeRat420: bets 14784
LowVision: calls 14784
sandler1860: calls 14784
*** TURN *** [5d 2h 2c] [Qd]
GrimeRat420: checks
LowVision: checks
sandler1860: checks
*** RIVER *** [5d 2h 2c Qd] [Ah]
GrimeRat420: bets 46771
LowVision: folds
sandler1860: raises 70445 to 117216 and is all-in
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im gonna leave this one for some of the more exp players , but ill give my opinion fwiw, him flattin pre can be alot of mid pairs i would think, guess he might flat with AQ also maybe AJsuited , i could be wrong, but i think the only way ur beat here on the river is if he shows up with 555 , or if he slow played u flattin AA pre im not sure if he checks back the turn or not with AA , sick spot here on the river, i doubt most will be approving of check callin here , but can u fold , i really dont know, im curious to see what some of the HS regs say here , tough spot , or maybe were overthinking it , idk
actually with the flatter in between i seriously doubt he flatted AA here , so i think u can eliminate that option, also i doubt hed jam the AJdd or here either when u bet the river so i doubt that is a option either , lets see what some regs say

When he overflats flop then his range is like 55,22,34 and possssssibly like 88 and stuff (but im kinda weighting towards the nuttier end cos its 3way)

Once he jams the river we can take the marginal showdown value stuff out as i doubt he's turning like 99 into a bluff on this river when u bet heavily into 2 players so that leaves all the stuff we're beat by.

Looks like a fold

pretty sure he has 55 or 22 and never anything else

 

Originally Posted by Gags30

pretty sure he has 55 or 22 and never anything else

ur most likely right here , should he lead fold the river , check call , check fold?

sandler = nit = fold, i say this is 55 or 22

 

Originally Posted by Gags30

pretty sure he has 55 or 22 and never anything else

was cbetting flop a mistake? when sandler flats looking back on it it does look really strong, but also thot hands like 66-99 were in his range. if i bet out river and he shoves i guess hes only doing this really strong, so i guess i have to fold. but what if i check, can i call or should i fold to a bet? this just seems really nitty cuz with two checks on both turn and riv he could now turn his hand into a bluff? bet-folding just seems really weird cuz i have so much in the pot already, and the winner of the pot was gonna be cl with 45 left. the way it played out, being the donk that i am i called and he showed 55, good job to those who got it right. sandler then used his chiplead to own the tourney and took it down for 30k

 

Originally Posted by GrimeRat420

was cbetting flop a mistake? when sandler flats looking back on it it does look really strong, but also thot hands like 66-99 were in his range. if i bet out river and he shoves i guess hes only doing this really strong, so i guess i have to fold. but what if i check, can i call or should i fold to a bet? this just seems really nitty cuz with two checks on both turn and riv he could now turn his hand into a bluff? bet-folding just seems really weird cuz i have so much in the pot already, and the winner of the pot was gonna be cl with 45 left. the way it played out, being the donk that i am i called and he showed 55, good job to those who got it right. sandler then used his chiplead to own the tourney and took it down for 30k

ya tough spot for sure , his shove does look super strong on the river, im curious if check callin or bet folding , what one people lean toward, i guess most likely bet folding is better , gives u clear info that ur beat

Fold for sure, he's only doing this with air or < you. For sure looks like he has it given his line tho.

He flopped the joint. Its an easy fold vs him

yea obv it seems nitty bet/folding there

i dont know what u get value from by betting river tho. maybe AJsooted.

its tough to say bc i have played hands like this all diff ways including bet/calling.

checking/calling river does open up his bluffs tho, so there may be more value in that long term.

i dunno tho, even before results, this did seem a lot like 55/22.

when they both flat in position do u give up on the hand, bet out turn, bet-fold or check-call riv?

 

Originally Posted by 99NvrLosez

I don't think cbetting the flop is bad at all

Yeah prolly not, Im trying to think how I would play vs me. Kinda hard to do.

 

Originally Posted by sandler1860

The only thing I would call with on the flop that doesnt have you beat are all the mid pocket pairs (66-99). Anything larger, I likely 3b pre, QQ/AA included. So the only thing you beat on the river is me turning those mid pocket pairs into a psycho bluff.....pretty unlikely with the great odds youre getting to call. Biggest mistake was the flop bet, if you check there, it prolly saves you your stack. As played, you got the unluckiest turn and river possible for your hand and got priced in. :(

...so how is he priced in on the riv then?