Full Tilt Poker Game #12255923967: FTOPS Event #22 (84234994), Table 4 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:52:15 ET - 2009/05/16
Seat 1: Scyred (10,295)
Seat 2: Patrik Antonius (1,505)
Seat 3: rimmer27 (6,385)
Seat 4: Iridium (7,630)
Seat 5: scottythefish (5,805)
Seat 6: T_Preston_ (5,800)
Seat 7: OJ Limpsin (6,290)
Seat 8: jordankickz (4,795)
Seat 9: eend_nl (5,490)
OJ Limpsin posts the small blind of 25
jordankickz posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to scottythefish [Kh Ac]
eend_nl folds
Scyred folds
Patrik Antonius folds
rimmer27 folds
Iridium raises to 150
scottythefish has 15 seconds left to act
scottythefish raises to 450
T_Preston_ folds
OJ Limpsin folds
jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
jordankickz has requested TIME
jordankickz raises to 1,234
Iridium has 15 seconds left to act
Iridium folds
scottythefish????

Sometimes I'll flat with AK here pre just like to mix it up chose to 3 bet this time.

Seems like a fairly easy shove... HJ/CO/blinds is an aggro dynamic and if he's EVER 4b bluffing here (which he is) you have to get it in<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

 

Originally Posted by rfohrenbach

Seems like a fairly easy shove... HJ/CO/blinds is an aggro dynamic and if he's EVER 4b bluffing here (which he is) you have to get it in<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

what are you talking about? plz dont give people advice on mtts where you have no idea what is going on. fold plz, he is almost never 4betting light.

Todd Terry folds the king and the king here.

 

Originally Posted by driftdc5

 

Originally Posted by rfohrenbach

Seems like a fairly easy shove... HJ/CO/blinds is an aggro dynamic and if he's EVER 4b bluffing here (which he is) you have to get it in<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

what are you talking about? plz dont give people advice on mtts where you have no idea what is going on. fold plz, he is almost never 4betting light.

dont you think because you think that, that jordan would 4 bet light more then u would think?

 

Originally Posted by 7DeLuX

 

Originally Posted by driftdc5

 

Originally Posted by rfohrenbach

Seems like a fairly easy shove... HJ/CO/blinds is an aggro dynamic and if he's EVER 4b bluffing here (which he is) you have to get it in<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

what are you talking about? plz dont give people advice on mtts where you have no idea what is going on. fold plz, he is almost never 4betting light.

dont you think because you think that, that jordan would 4 bet light more then u would think?

Ding Ding.

I think a fold is in order. While he maybe 4 betting light I dont think you can jam or fold given that after folding you still have over 100bbs. Shoving or raising here probs turns out bad way more times than good.

yeah my balls shriveled up and I folded like the sally I am......

if villain is good, shove

if he's just random uncreative mtt reg fold

what rforehnback said is true theory wise, just a lot of people are still really mediocre and never 4b bluffing there though they should be

 

Originally Posted by doubledave22

meh even if he is 4balling light, his 4ball/call range just flat out owns u. looks like a trivial fold to me

I agree

I need kings or aces to continue here and hes only risking 1300 of his stack???....... seems like a pretty profitable play for him if I'm 3 betting more hands then AA or KK. and he picks up an ez 700.

 

Originally Posted by rfohrenbach

 

Originally Posted by doubledave22

meh even if he is 4balling light, his 4ball/call range just flat out owns u. looks like a trivial fold to me

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Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.215% 44.09% 16.13% 244579488 89482674.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 39.785% 23.66% 16.13% 131241660 89482674.00 { AKo }

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cold 4bet calling jj there would be terribad in the 2500 even QQ is meh vs regs and AK. Its literally KK/AA and air

 

Originally Posted by leftygrove

i'm curious at what point jordankickz 4-betting light is profitable atc, if all players are now folding with less than KK+...

given these parameters (no clue if they're accurate): KK+ is top 1%, iridium is opening top 15%, sts is 3betting some polarized 8%.

so iridium is folding 93% of the time and sts is folding 87% of the time (i think)

given that, 80% of the time, they are both folding

so he's risking 1234 to win 625, and he has to win it 65% of the time approximately? so 4-betting light atc here is profitable under the circumstances given (again, just a brainstorm, no clue if any of this is accurate)?

sure as hell can be which is why air is included into his range

 

Originally Posted by doubledave22

sure as hell can be which is why air is included into his range

do any hsmtt regs have some idea of how often jordankickz is raising air here?

if he raises with KK+ for value half the time, and raises with air half the time, AKo's equity is 47%. i'm guessing 4-betting light half the time is unrealistic.

just do whatever Seabeast says