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  1. Roothlus Roothlus is offline

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    Oct 21st, 2007 (10/21/2007 10:47pm)

    pokerstars Game #12769663902: Tournament #64801118, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/10/21 - 21:45:03 (ET)
    Table '64801118 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: Stev0L_ (4961 in chips)
    Seat 2: unluckybs (1177 in chips)
    Seat 3: TeamMCO (3090 in chips)
    Seat 8: Roothlus (4272 in chips)
    Roothlus: posts small blind 75
    Stev0L_: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Roothlus [Qh Qs]
    unluckybs: folds
    TeamMCO: folds
    Roothlus: raises 300 to 450
    Stev0L_: raises 4511 to 4961 and is all-in
    Roothlus:

    Hmmmmmm. The guy hasn't done anything out of line yet and seems like he knows what he's doing? What do you think he is shoving here? Steps can be pretty standard a good amount of the time and then some insane spot comes up like this.

    Oh yea, the structure is 4th goes back to step 3. 3rd stays in step 4 and 1st and 2nd gets to move up to step 5.
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  2. jetman4109 jetman4109 is offline

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    Oct 21st, 2007 (10/21/2007 10:49pm) in reply to Roothlus

    I'm not 100% sure on the format as respects to how many move to step 5, but if it's top 2 like I think it is this is a call imo.
  3. sandler1860 sandler1860 is offline

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    Oct 21st, 2007 (10/21/2007 10:52pm) in reply to jetman4109

    4th goes back to step 3, 3rd gets to retry step 4. Top 2 move on.
     
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    Oct 21st, 2007 (10/21/2007 10:52pm) in reply to Roothlus

    it depends on the payout structure, in a cash sng, u turbocall this
     
  5. Cmac Cmac is offline

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    Oct 21st, 2007 (10/21/2007 10:55pm) in reply to Roothlus

    I think he is making a move to establish big stack early, I call
  6. rock3656 rock3656 is offline

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    Oct 21st, 2007 (10/21/2007 10:55pm) in reply to yellowsub

    That is a really sick spot, I think I'm going to make the call and include JJ 1010 and 99 as a huge part of his range, do you think he makes this overshove with AA, or even KK?
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    Oct 21st, 2007 (10/21/2007 11:08pm) in reply to Cmac

    Agreed, most of the time hes not just shoving kk or aa like this, not to say that he Couldnt.
  8. j_farah j_farah is offline

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    Oct 21st, 2007 (10/21/2007 11:11pm) in reply to Roothlus

    I call here for several reasons.

    1) It's a satellite, so he is probably abusing the bubble and figures you'll fold a lot of hands.
    2) Short stack is going to be in BB next hand, further depleting his stack. This makes it more likely that the villain is reraising you light since you'll be more cautious than usual and don't want to go out 4th.
    3) SB vs BB, so he could be thinking you're raising ATC and is shoving to prevent that.
    4) Your spot is not guaranteed. Only top two go on to the next step. Calling here and winning virtually guarantees you move on. Otherwise it'll be harder to secure a seat (esp if one of the other players eliminates the short stack).
    5) QQ is a very strong hand and is ahead of everything except AA and KK.
  9. jhendricks09 jhendricks09 is offline

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    Oct 21st, 2007 (10/21/2007 11:17pm) in reply to Roothlus

    I think its a call for a few reasons. 1, the 215 dollars is nothing to you, you can buy back in for no problem, 2 if you this hand, u r pretty much guarenteed to move onto the next step...

    I think he has AK here tho.... so u r flippingggggg
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    Oct 21st, 2007 (10/21/2007 11:33pm) in reply to Roothlus

    Not easy, but a clear fold. You are still top 2 after the fold, with a clear skill advantage.
  11. ParadiceCity ParadiceCity is offline

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    Oct 21st, 2007 (10/21/2007 11:40pm) in reply to hrk

    "not easy, but a clear fold" make up your mind, lol, cant be both.

    These steps have some sick bubble play, that i dont think anyone knows the answer to. Someone make a comp. program we can use to calculate EV plz. kthx
  12. Cheezy Beef Cheezy Beef is offline

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    Oct 21st, 2007 (10/21/2007 11:52pm) in reply to ParadiceCity

    He obv has suited A9, and an A will hit on the River. Lay it down.
  13. Daut44 Daut44 is offline

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    Oct 22nd, 2007 (10/22/2007 1:45am) in reply to Cheezy Beef

    doing some quick calculations

    rooth is probably like 65-70% vs this guy's range
    when he wins he qualifies like 90-95% of the time, but having the re entries to tournaments also offsets stuff a bit

    but anyway, not taking into account the reentry, he is like 62% to qualify if he calls
    if he doesnt call, he has like 3700 of the chips, so hes probably something like 55% to qualify

    it looks like a call to me, the fact that he gets reentry just bumps that up even more
     
  14. ChuckSty ChuckSty is offline

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    Oct 22nd, 2007 (10/22/2007 1:50am) in reply to Daut44

    i'd say you are at worst racing here a huge huge majority of the time and winning this pot is gonna lock you into 5 and losing it you go back to 3, i think that's a snap call.
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    Oct 22nd, 2007 (10/22/2007 1:53am) in reply to Roothlus

    screams AK to me
  16. sandler1860 sandler1860 is offline

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    Oct 22nd, 2007 (10/22/2007 2:03am) in reply to Daut44

    He doesnt get a retry, 4th bumps you back to step 3, $82 buyin.
     
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