i call it. his line doesnt make sense

unless its like AQ, KQ, missed draw like AJcc?

it could be 66 trying to get value that he missed from previous streets but i call

I'm feeling 90% sure it isn't 10Jc.

although i dont think he is doing this with complete air, i think you have him beat the majority of the time. he probably doesnt think you are as strong as you really are (maybe he put you on a small PP like 77-1010 or suited connectors because your line looks pretty weak).

i think your hand is REALLY disguised here and the pot is big enough for him to shove the river with KJ or QJ and it be +EV for him the majority of the time. i HIGHLY doubt he shoves J10 here, he would probably put out a value bet and hope you call or shove on him.

the line you took (flat pre, big c-bet post and check turn) definitely screams QJ or 99ish...i think you have to call here.

I'm pretty sure I fold and am somewhat happy about it tbh. Not sure if you knew this, but LeoEleven=thechronic420. He's not shoving KQ for value, and I'd say its highly unlikely he'd shove AQ for value either. If he knows you're a thinking player, he'd only be shoving worse two-pairs/missed clubs as bluffs to get you to make this kind of hero fold, but I don't think he's making this play enough of the time to make a call profitable. I'd say he's got JT or 66 like 2/3 of the time, and the rest of his range 1/3.

man i dont know about you all, but if this guy is a 'reg' then that flat on the flop, for like 20% of effecctive stacks, in a 4 way pot really freaks me out. He prolly aint turning something like ATcc into a bluff here, he's going to check it. At best your chopping imho. and those of you saying if he has you beat hes going to value bet it...he only has like a psb left.

I want to say fold but your hand is so under repped here. Then again the only hand that makes sense for him to show up with after flatting 600 on the flop is 66, unless he played 10Jcc really passively which I doubt. Tough spot. results?

hes got 3200 to start - over 40 bbs....seems pretty deep to get it in pre.

As played think you gotta call - dont think set checks the turn, you beat better 2 pair combos - even something like j10s prob fires turn with that kind of draw.

oh didn't fully read HH. good job pal

i like an aggressive call here, tho

hehe

Meh, didnt see the early position raiser was that short until now, but as I said Im just trying to mix it up with AK pre, I'll wait for some more responses until I post results and give my analysis of the hand and river shove. Good posts so far I like it

This hand is very very interesting. At first glance, I want to snap fold because ur hand should be fairly obvious (either AK or AQ) given the flop and turn action. However, on the other hand he most likely thinks your scared to get it in (given the turn check) and can exploit that by shoving the river. His river shove looks like a value shove and I would probably fold, but lets not forget that LeoEleven (Chronic420) is a good player and can take this hand down with atc very often because as played, lab rat looks scared to get it in.

Overall, I fold because I don't want to play a guessing game here and would rather conserve a decent stack. However, I don't hate it if you called here becuase he can show up with air as this is a pretty decent sized pot and your line seems like a scared AK. Your hand was turned face up in this spot, and it really comes down to how he percieves you as a player and if he thinks your capable of making this call.

Fold and move on, but I don't hate it if you called given the way it was played out.

EDIT: The river ace doesn't really change this hand in my opinion. He gets it in earlier with JT, and if you had him beat before the ace, you still have him beat. The ace just gives you two pair but he should never have a worse two pair and should also rarely ever have a straight. He should have 666 here most of the time.

Timing also matters to me on this hand. The faster he shoves, the more and more I want to fold as it seems he is shoving that ace hoping it hit our hand.

He shouldo also never have air because he should never be floating the flop without any sort of hand. He could have a missed club draw that backed into two pair but he should know that you never have KQ so you never call him without better two pair so he shouldn tbe value shoving a missed club draw with two pair. He should have 666 close to 90% of the time here i think.

one of the easier folds ive seen

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Full Tilt Poker Game #13067163566: $80,000 Guarantee (93702071), Table 6 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:11:12 ET - 2009/06/27
Seat 1: MR A 2U SON (4,495)
Seat 2: donbabylon (2,150)
Seat 3: LeoEleven (3,335)
Seat 4: Manwhore6186 (2,125)
Seat 5: MrsSmokey1 (7,100)
Seat 6: The Lab Rat (5,115)
Seat 7: moreexpert1 (8,225)
Seat 8: Lezardino (2,550)
Seat 9: pdiddyshowno (7,295)
donbabylon posts the small blind of 40
LeoEleven posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Lab Rat [Ks Ah]
Manwhore6186 has 15 seconds left to act
Manwhore6186 raises to 240
MrsSmokey1 folds
The Lab Rat calls 240
moreexpert1 folds
Lezardino folds
pdiddyshowno calls 240
MR A 2U SON folds
donbabylon folds
LeoEleven calls 160
*** FLOP *** [Qc Kc 6s]
LeoEleven checks
Manwhore6186 checks
The Lab Rat has 15 seconds left to act
The Lab Rat bets 600
pdiddyshowno folds
LeoEleven calls 600
Manwhore6186 folds
*** TURN *** [Qc Kc 6s] [4h]
LeoEleven checks
The Lab Rat has 15 seconds left to act
The Lab Rat checks
*** RIVER *** [Qc Kc 6s 4h] [As]
LeoEleven has 15 seconds left to act
LeoEleven bets 2,495, and is all in
The Lab Rat folds
Uncalled bet of 2,495 returned to LeoEleven
LeoEleven mucks
LeoEleven wins the pot (2,200)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,200 | Rake 0
Board: [Qc Kc 6s 4h As]
Seat 1: MR A 2U SON (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: donbabylon (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: LeoEleven (big blind) collected (2,200), mucked
Seat 4: Manwhore6186 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: MrsSmokey1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: The Lab Rat folded on the River
Seat 7: moreexpert1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Lezardino didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: pdiddyshowno folded on the Flop

Ok so I ended up folding and I didn't even tank about folding. I really thought he had a set of 6s or JT. One of the main reasons I folded though was because his overshove made it appear to me like he was hoping that the ace on the river hit or improved my hand thus hoping Id call. At first, when I showed this hand to people they didnt understand why I folded. "He could be shoving a lower 2 pair. He probably missed his flush. etc etc" And I really thought people here would flame my nitty fold. But I was really adament on the fact that I dont really think I beat any hand here for value.

We gotta remember he's a reg. I dont think he ever has KQ here as played. If he has kq he has to raise this drawy flop like everytime imo, and whats he hoping to get called by on the river in all honesty? He's not a fraid of me having aq or JT checking behind the turn? And in a multi way pot like this I dont see him calling the flop with AQ. He's ranked 100th on pocketfives fwiw, and I think he knows better than to be flatting flop with aq here. And lets says he had AcXc then why is he shoving the river when the ace hits? For value? To bluff?

I do however believe he can have some kind of flush draw here bluffing, but I really doubt it to be honest. Just didn't seem like a good spot to me for him to be bluffing. The blinds are only at 40/80 too, but I do think its possible. Maybe like a 89cc trying to make me make a big laydown or putting me on like a KJ AJQJ type of hand

What I really thought it was to me was either JT or set of 6s, not positive which one, although was leaning towards the set. His snap shove the river as I previously stated looked to me as if he was hoping the ace hit me, not necessarily trying to represent the ace or shoving a lower 2 pair. I dont know maybe Im off on my analysis a bit but I just really thought I was beat as played by a good thinking player and I didnt even put much thought into the fold. As it looks by the posts, it looks as if that the people that said fold(no offense to anyone who posted) are players that are very good and for the most part know about Leoeleven or what a thinking player ususally has here and felt he has a set of 6s or JT majority of the time here. And to those that said 3 bet pre, I do 3 bet pre here 95% of the time, was just mixing it up though

Thank you again to everyone who posted. Would be really nice if LeoEleven could post here and tell us what he had too! If he doesnt respond I will try to pm him and ask him tonight

- The Lab Rat