He has been active + you have already three bet him twice = poooosh

Quit being results oriented...don't fold

 

Originally Posted by shane3769

Quit being results oriented...don't fold

i didnt he had aa , min 4bet seemed obv tho

I call, and if an A, K, or Q, doesn't hit the flop, I ship it. That's the honest truth.

 

Originally Posted by funnygut

yea i was stunned when he showed up w/aa tho, thought most players this deep wouldnt actually do that w/aa

w/e, really sick cooler but obv never fold here

edit: don't ever flat either

I wouldn't say i'm stunned that he has AA here.. but I def think if he's decent and if he's hella over you 3betting him... that he could prob do this with his entire opening range with the intention of folding to your shove (prob not a ton with the stacks as they are, but definately if you both were a bit deeper). I also agree with telks that if you 3b people a few times, they can tool out, and you will see them fold here some percentage of the time and/or also show up with worse pairs/hands that they feel committed to calling an all-in with after the pot gets built up. Regardless there is obvious value there.

Is it unfathomable to see him doing this with like 88-TT and like ATs+ ? If it isn't unrealistic... then get it in imo.

his range is completely polarized so to say "ts obv aa" is only half the argument. i know i 4ball here pretty frequently against other playing back regs especially on any sort of ft/money bubble and roughly that size. but to balance im also doing it with kk/aa/AKs. in this spot its a snap get it in vs a 4bet as wide as say 89ss+, AJ+, KQ+, 66+ that i imagine hes 4balling with ur description of villain.

If you are going to 3-bet 1/6th of your chips. I think you have to be willing to push in this spot. I would have either flat called the orginialy raise OR 3-bet a greater percentage of my chips. If you re-raise to something like 80-K, and he james you, then you know you are beat. In this situation, it's harder to know what he has.

hmmm...I think its important that we distinguish the villians ability to 3 bet light and 4 bet light...I find that a lotta people think players that 3 bet light also have the ability to 4 bet light this is a falacy imo...with 50 bb's i kinda hate 3 bettin here oop b/c it puts u in an awkward spot if he 4 bets you (imo your almost never gettin 4 bet light enough here with your stack size where its optimal ur inducin worse to come over the top). We hope to think that villian is capabale of 4 bettin u light (especially with the history described) here but in $55 f/o's its often not the case...Spots like these i think theres a ton more value to flat and play this pot oop...ur hand is way underrepped and can induce a ton of value from a wide range from aggro opponent....

edit: also sayin that hes folding to ur 3 bet twice isnt enough history to think hes gnna tool out heaps light with a 4 bet...you could b trappin urself and settin ur self up imo to give him credit for this when his 4 bettin range might b QQ+ against you just a thought

 

Originally Posted by s.l. halper

Drew I think you make a few good points about this being a 50 f/o and the rarity that you find a guy capable of 4 betting light here, but it seems from dcoop's description we have such a player. I also presume that dcoop is playing a pretty active game meaning both hero and villain have wider ranges than the usual 50 f/o player. Villain's stack is a little short to 4 bet bluff, but I have done it with less bbs in optimal occasions, and this action and brief history certainly provides villain the opportunity to do so. More importantly, if we go by dcoop's description of the villain I think we can assume that villain is probably getting it in with a wider range (I dunno, 99+/AJs+) than a usual rando, giving us the opportunity to sigh and get it in ourselves. I've stacked off in dumber situations than this, but the times that you are right put you in great shape to get to and run over the final table, both through the chips you get and the fearless image you set up.

I hate flatting JJ here to a single raise, not because we are afraid to play post-flop but because jeez JJ plays so badly against almost every flop that hits the board. He can blow us off our hand so easily with a decent c-bet and even if the board is low we never feel good stacking off to it. Flatting is better than 3-bet folding with JJ but man this is a tough spot to feel good about doing it against this villain.

definitely some great points here i agree with...descriptions that hero give def fit an aggro solid player...but im stressin the fact that hero hasnt seen villian 4 bet yet (this is very important) along with the spots he picks his 3 bets in...we know hes capable of 3 bettin light but the amnt of equity @ risk b/w 3 a light 3 bet and 4 bettin light is crucial...i know a lot of very good players that 3 bet light in position with the proper stack sizes but very rarely 4 air ball even with absurd history....and in this spot hes never gnna 4 bet light here cause if hes a good player he should know that ur not 3 bet foldin to his stack size...so ur 3 bet looks hella strong fwiw

normally a tuff spot, but since u have been 3betting him often enough, i insta-ship all my chips in his face.

how is this thread still going