Full Tilt Poker Game #9292078232: $40,000 Guarantee (70877597), Table 78 - 800/1600 Ante 200 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:03:32 ET - 2008/12/02

Seat 1: BabySmurf82 (43,858)

Seat 2: kingcrabs (20,854)

Seat 3: Fichas (15,535)

Seat 4: MarkFSU1 (31,813)

Seat 5: Scorpio 58 (18,718)

Seat 6: h34rt8r34k3r (42,665)

Seat 8: bellbop (24,879)

Seat 9: sevenfive75 (14,700)

BabySmurf82 antes 200

kingcrabs antes 200

Fichas antes 200

MarkFSU1 antes 200

Scorpio 58 antes 200

h34rt8r34k3r antes 200

bellbop antes 200

sevenfive75 antes 200

Fichas posts the small blind of 800

MarkFSU1 posts the big blind of 1,600

The button is in seat #2

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to MarkFSU1 [Qs As]

Scorpio 58 raises to 18,518, and is all in

h34rt8r34k3r has 15 seconds left to act

h34rt8r34k3r raises to 42,465, and is all in

bellbop folds

sevenfive75 folds

BabySmurf82 folds

kingcrabs folds

Fichas folds

MarkFSU1 has 15 seconds left to act

MarkFSU1 has requested TIME
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I recognize Scorpios range is very wide here w/11bs and the blinds about to hit him. But then utg+1 ships his whole stack in (~26bbs). Not much info on there play, I hadnt been at the table long. Wat is utg+1 range? Is this a call or fold and look for better spot?

MarkFSU1 has requested TIME

MarkFSU1 calls 30,013, and is all in

h34rt8r34k3r shows [Qd Ah]

MarkFSU1 shows [Qs As]

Scorpio 58 shows [Ks Ad]

Uncalled bet of 10,852 returned to h34rt8r34k3r

*** FLOP *** [3c Jd Jh]

*** TURN *** [3c Jd Jh] [9s]

*** RIVER *** [3c Jd Jh 9s] [5c]

h34rt8r34k3r shows a pair of Jacks

MarkFSU1 shows a pair of Jacks

MarkFSU1 ties for the side pot (13,095) with a pair of Jacks

h34rt8r34k3r ties for the side pot (13,095) with a pair of Jacks

Scorpio 58 shows a pair of Jacks

Scorpio 58 wins the main pot (57,954) with a pair of Jacks

Crazy Gauge sits down

Crazy Gauge adds 14,573

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 84,144 Main pot 57,954. Side pot 26,190. | Rake 0

Board: [3c Jd Jh 9s 5c]

I dont have pokerstove or anything like that, but with 11bbs and the blinds about to hit the bb I figured his range is fairly wide (22+, QJs+, A9s+) and I am def callin his shove. Was thinkin utg+1 could shove here with 26bbs as wide as 66+ AJs maybe KQs and Im getting over 2-1 to call with AQs. From wat Im reading here its an easy fold and I probably need to tighten my calling range. At the time I thought it could easily be a race vs both like utg with 55 and utg+1 with 99,TT or JJ. If I won the hand Id have over 80k and top 5 stack with like 55ish left which gives me a chance to make a really deep run. thx all for the replies

U MIGHT BE AHEAD BUT RACING WOULD BE MY GUESS...BETTER TO JUST FOLD AND PICK BETTER SPOT WHERE U R THE AGGRESSOR

wat is his range? why is every1 folding so quickly? you sayin his range is QQ+ AK?

 

Originally Posted by MarkFSU1

wat is his range? why is every1 folding so quickly? you sayin his range is QQ+ AK?

His range doesn't need to be QQ+ and AK to make it unprofitable. What do you think the isolator is realistically shoving there with UTG+1. Lets make it 88+, AJs+, AJo+. You are roughly 45-46% vs. that range. Can't be much wider if at all, and in practice it tends to be a bit tighter even. So you're a slight dog to that range and you still have to factor in the UTG's shoving range. It depends on reads of the UTG shover, but a good players range could be as wide as: 22+,A6s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,87s,76s,A8o+,KTo +,QTo+,JTo

Which you are 59-60% vs.

Both of these ranges are assuming what are likely the widest they could be. Vs 2 known good aggressive players I might call, but if either one of them is unknown or on the tighter side, it's just an insta fold because their ranges are often much tighter than you estimate them to be.

Im mucking here... not only is the iso shover possibly ahead but the utg shover can very well have you beat as well. My utg shove range with 11bbs in a tourney like this is prlly KQss AJ+ 55+. I just dont like being the 3rd one in with AQ ever..

 

Originally Posted by MarkFSU1

I dont have pokerstove or anything like that, but with 11bbs and the blinds about to hit the bb I figured his range is fairly wide (22+, QJs+, A9s+) and I am def callin his shove. Was thinkin utg+1 could shove here with 26bbs as wide as 66+ AJs maybe KQs and Im getting over 2-1 to call with AQs. From wat Im reading here its an easy fold and I probably need to tighten my calling range. At the time I thought it could easily be a race vs both like utg with 55 and utg+1 with 99,TT or JJ. If I won the hand Id have over 80k and top 5 stack with like 55ish left which gives me a chance to make a really deep run. thx all for the replies

assuming the range u gave

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 29.852% 28.22% 01.63% 4525481628 262092817.50 { 22+, A9s+, KJs+, QJs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 37.608% 34.67% 02.94% 5560640634 470893291.50 { 66+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+ }
Hand 2: 32.540% 29.00% 03.54% 4651163865 567549564.00 { AsQs }

ur 32% to win the main pot which is between 3 players, u invested ~ 33% of the chips. the fact that there are antes and the SB prob makes 32.5% about nuetral EV

then theres the side pot.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.517% 36.39% 06.12% 44868627 7548984.00 { AsQs }
Hand 1: 57.483% 51.36% 06.12% 63319293 7548984.00 { 66+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+ }

here we are putting up even money with villian and only 42% equity so overall the call is -EV assuming ranges. i happen to think that the utg+1 range is tighter than this which effect our equity in both the main pot and the side pot and makes it more -EV.

i think i did this right, hope this helps

 

Originally Posted by iloseflips2424

easy there gags. I had exact same spot with aj in utg +1 and went with it, and happened to have utg crushed. whether or not it was the right move, im pretty sure im not awwwwwful

i posted a link to a thread in an earlier post that dealt with AJ in the UTG+1 facing this type of shove. most ppl said its a fold. not because we think the UTG shover has us beat, but bc theres to many ppl still to act and AJ isnt strong enough vs the UTG range to make up for all the times we run into a bigger hand vs all the remaining players.

i think most will agree AJ beats the UTG range.

also even if AJ is a call UTG+1, its the only hand in his range we do well agianst, i posted some pokerstove calculations that show even with AJ in the UTG+1 range we still should fold AQ here.

I also don't think an UTG+1 iso shove with AJ would be all that bad...

That said, I'm still usually folding here unless I know iso shover is capable of shoving pretty wide (i.e. 55+/AT+)

it is suited...