pokerstars Game #33689717278: Tournament #200030871, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1500/3000) - 2009/10/05 23:46:41 ET
Table '200030871 60' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: BCSmut33 (183456 in chips)
Seat 2: Amélie (88664 in chips)
Seat 4: lohausj (131594 in chips)
Seat 5: CUBBIES23 (49050 in chips)
Seat 6: knecht_poker (88525 in chips)
Seat 7: BBerryYumYum (161963 in chips)
Seat 8: deluxe1904 (88941 in chips)
Seat 9: dukdukgoose (23180 in chips)
BCSmut33: posts the ante 300
Amélie: posts the ante 300
lohausj: posts the ante 300
CUBBIES23: posts the ante 300
knecht_poker: posts the ante 300
BBerryYumYum: posts the ante 300
deluxe1904: posts the ante 300
dukdukgoose: posts the ante 300
CUBBIES23: posts small blind 1500
knecht_poker: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BBerryYumYum [Ks Kc]
BBerryYumYum: calls 3000
deluxe1904: calls 3000
dukdukgoose: raises 19880 to 22880 and is all-in
BCSmut33: raises 19880 to 42760
Amélie: folds
lohausj: folds
CUBBIES23: folds
knecht_poker: folds
BBerryYumYum: raises 118903 to 161663 and is all-in
deluxe1904: folds
BCSmut33: calls 118903
*** FLOP *** [8d 4s Qs]
*** TURN *** [8d 4s Qs] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [8d 4s Qs 5h] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BBerryYumYum: shows [Ks Kc] (a pair of Kings)
BCSmut33: shows [Ah Ac] (a pair of Aces)
BBerryYumYum said, "nh sir"
CUBBIES23 said, "gg berry"
BCSmut33 collected 277566 from side pot
dukdukgoose: shows [8h 8s] (three of a kind, Eights)
dukdukgoose collected 78540 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 356106 Main pot 78540. Side pot 277566. | Rake 0
Board [8d 4s Qs 5h 2s]
Seat 1: BCSmut33 showed [Ah Ac] and won (277566) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: Amélie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: lohausj (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: CUBBIES23 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: knecht_poker (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: BBerryYumYum showed [Ks Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: deluxe1904 folded before Flop
Seat 9: dukdukgoose showed [8h 8s] and won (78540) with three of a kind, Eights

With 3k only invested I really thought about a fold... Is there any way to get off of this hand here? BCSmut33 had been a solid player the whole time at the table... Feel really sick about this hand because I really really felt like it was AA but I still pushed in... Can I really get off the hand the way I played it?

No!! Why did u limp? Nothing wrong with this hand. Next tourney please. GL

 

Originally Posted by rainmanrcp

i think enough of these posts have been made haha, never fold KK pre unless some kind of structural element like a sattelite bubble is present.

some of the worst advice I have ever read on here...

Man these posts tilt me. GG UL fire up another one. If you start folding KK here you need to reevaluate why you are playing poker.

it's def pretty spewey getting in KK with 50+ bets.. i mean, you didn't have the AA so obv he did. GO WITH YOUR GET and muck it like it's 92

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Originally Posted by rainmanrcp

i think enough of these posts have been made haha, never fold KK pre unless some kind of structural element like a sattelite bubble is present.

I would normally have no problem with this advice but I really dont see villain calling my push unless he has it-he had been very nitty at the table-in fact the only player at the table that I would of given credit to having AA in this spot is villain. Also I normally dont limp KK but this table had been active and many smaller stacks were shoving in to no aggression with 55-1010 and AJ AQ range hands. Am I just being results oriented? Its hands like these that im having trouble with here lately because I am almost certain given player has it but I still push in almost hoping he doesnt...

EDIT: This is for big stack in the tourney... Chip leader was sitting at around 225k at this point...

Hey BB

Your Just getting stuck in some really tough spots. I really don't know what I would do in your case I think it would go totally on feel and since you have said he was playing really solid poker I think I may have thought about folding it up. However you did do the best you were going to get out of this pot. Limping in early position is not a bad play it is a good way to set a trap on an over active table that you know is going to be raising it. The scary thing about this hand is that there was nothing on the flop other than trip Qs if you can put him on that otherwise you may be stacking off on the flop. Hopefully you can get your feet back under you and start running better.

GL BB

 

Originally Posted by RazorFish00

Hey BB

Your Just getting stuck in some really tough spots. I really don't know what I would do in your case I think it would go totally on feel and since you have said he was playing really solid poker I think I may have thought about folding it up. However you did do the best you were going to get out of this pot. Limping in early position is not a bad play it is a good way to set a trap on an over active table that you know is going to be raising it. The scary thing about this hand is that there was nothing on the flop other than trip Qs if you can put him on that otherwise you may be stacking off on the flop. Hopefully you can get your feet back under you and start running better.

GL BB

Are you saying to just flat BCs raise preflop?

No I never said that I just am saying that what you did preflop was going to happen on the flop unless you could convince yourself that you were beaten by Qs or As. I don't think I could flat call but the "limp in" at an over active table was not a bad move. I am just saying that if you had flat called it probably had the same outcome.

IMO you only had two choices push in like you did or fold it up because it is tough to be calling over 30% of your stack then folding on the flop, but that being said I may consider how much was commited you only had 3000 in which is not much compared to you stack, and from the way it was played I would have to think a bit because BC has commited about 30% of his stack which is about the same as yours so you have to start thinking he is commited and put him into one of two catagories he is either makeing a move to hope to suck out and pick up the like 30000 in the pot or he has a huge hand. I think that is the way to look at it. I think I may start to hedge to a big hand since he was playing very solid poker as you stated.

Maybe I am wrong in my thought processing for this hand and maybe I am getting over analytic, but I hope this helps.

 

Originally Posted by BBerryYumYum

just chalk it up to a cooler...

You don't mess with the smuttiest smut lord of them all.