Jymaster11 image at this point was very LAG but he is a very solid player that is capable of anything.

Full Tilt Poker Game #22427933437: $24,000 Guarantee (172946260), Table 153 - 8000/16000 Ante 2000 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:32:24 ET - 2010/07/18
Seat 1: ronaldgrauer (134,688)
Seat 2: nadler (909,249)
Seat 3: TDW11 (261,862)
Seat 4: Jymaster11 (977,744)
Seat 5: NDIrish13 (252,192)
Seat 6: OCS (323,177)
Seat 7: ThunderFX (326,716)
Seat 8: cream420 (1,194,394)
Seat 9: yoojunghoon (125,978)
ronaldgrauer antes 2,000
nadler antes 2,000
TDW11 antes 2,000
Jymaster11 antes 2,000
NDIrish13 antes 2,000
OCS antes 2,000
ThunderFX antes 2,000
cream420 antes 2,000
yoojunghoon antes 2,000
ronaldgrauer posts the small blind of 8,000
nadler posts the big blind of 16,000
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nadler [4s 5s]
TDW11 folds
Jymaster11 raises to 34,795
NDIrish13 folds
OCS folds
ThunderFX folds
cream420 folds
yoojunghoon folds
ronaldgrauer folds
nadler calls 18,795
*** FLOP *** [6s 7d 3h]
nadler checks
Jymaster11 checks
*** TURN *** [6s 7d 3h] [9s]
nadler bets 55,444
Jymaster11 calls 55,444
*** RIVER *** [6s 7d 3h 9s] [Ts]
nadler bets 128,888
Jymaster11 has 15 seconds left to act
Jymaster11 raises to 302,795

xxxx???

Call?
Raise?
Fold?

This is obv a sick river card. It gave me the back door flush and put a one card straight on the board. I felt like a fold was def. not and option but with the stacks sizes and how the hand played I felt like re-shipping here would be really bad. Cause if I'm wrong I'm busto. But if I call I'm still in good shape and I don't feel like hes gonna call my jam with worse.

Thoughts???

I do not see any other option than calling. He may have hit top set, had 88, or it could be a wierd bluff. AQs? I still think there are enough hands in his range to make calling correct.

i was at this table with you, i think a lot of time agaist a lot of opponents a fold could be best here... but in this spot vr this villian u have to call i think and if shows u a bigger flush then so be it..(i remember this hand vividly too, not sure why you posting it)

dont really see any 8s in his range except maybe A8 but he did raise from EP so if it is A8 its probably has to be suited. now an 8 isnt what ur worried about but since there are so very few in his range if any this is most likely a flush or some random bluff. i still cant see not calling.

I played a pot with Jymaster a couple weeks ago and he said "you should know I always have aces" after he turned over aces.. so by that logic you're ahead of what he has. But i agree the call is the only play in this situation, if it were 2 clubs on the flop and the 3rd on the river i would understand being scared, but it just doesnt seem super likely you both have flush draws here? To be safe I just call, I dont think its profitable to fold a flush here, but I dont have a 100k badge

With read on player rarely ever folding, but raising seems dumb.

I hope you didn't shove all in. imo calling is prob best but I can see myself folding this too depending on the villain. According to your reads on villain though I cannot see a fold being good here. If he has a higher flush then so be it, but you lost the minimum (because checking river seems awful imo).
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Originally Posted by okse54

id actually feel better about the situation if there were 2 clubs on the flop.

i mean he checked back the flop, if there were 2 clubs on the flop and he checked it back id be much more inclined to say he doesnt have clubs, here he checks it back and then a 2nd club comes and he makes the call. i rly dont think he takes this line with an over pr, set, or an 8.

so basicly i feel like his check behind on the flop has to end up being Ax hands, the only way i think we are ahead is if he decided to check back the flop with intention of calling any turn bet with A high, basicly he felt that if u hit the flop at all obv ur never folding to a c-bet, and when u miss on that type of flop its way to likely you make a move on him and take the pot away, so c-betting seems like a losing proposition but his A high is most likely good so he decides hell save the chips he was gona fire as a c-bet with and use them instead to call any turn bet by you and then almost any river will go check check.

turn and river cards came weird and u obv didnt go on to check the river and so now once he got to the river with air he knows hes never good with a call and he realizes he can represent a flush and puts in the raise.

thats rly the only thought process/hand he can have that we are good against imo, its never an over pr or set or str8 here.

while as u describe him hes def capable of showing up with Ax here, alot depends on his view of u and if he thinks ur capable of folding a str8/baby flush/ or set. i mean ur hand looks pretty strong and while hes capable of bluffing he has to think ur capable of folding. and without info that u guys have history or anything i would prob just give him credit for the hand since i dont think he floats and makes a move often enough vs someone he perceives as a random

This sounds good... how come more ppl don't post like this in these type of situations... you used to... :(

obv not a raise. I know the villain is pretty laggy, but calling looks pretty bad here. Pretty much nails both of your ranges and he's raising. Pre has to be a leak against any good player

oh wait, you have a flush. Probably calling then.

I feel like the villain wakes up with worse so much more often here than not...

A lot of this hand depends on what Jymaster puts in your defending range and how he feels the table views him...

First, If he is not including j8 into your range than he can raise all 8s on the river here profitably (which is like 88, 89, 810, a8- I only give credit for 810 & A8 because I am assuming he is betting 89,88,78 behind on the flop)... and I say profitably because he understands his LAGGY image, so it is possible that he gets Heroed on the river by 2pair, sets, and worse straights. He can also raise/fold here knowing your only gonna 4 bet shove like the absolute sack. Even further along that line he can also raise Asx type hands on the river knowing you can't reshove... and for the same reasoning, possibly getting you to fold 8s, 2 pair, and sets, and worse flushes (him having the A of spades let's him think you can't have a flush here for a few reasons).

2nd, As Okse said, it is possible he checks back Ax type hands that he paired on the flop or turn and he sees a good opportunity to turn his hand into a bluff

All that being said, im gonna guess he showed up with As8x

upon review i agree with okse and his logic... im still calling though

Crying call and hope he's holding pocket 8's / A8 / air.

Since he is a good player I really don't think he would raise trips here with the flush and straight now made. It seems to me he's either going to have the flush/straight here most of the time or complete air, but I feel like you're under repped here and it would be very tough to get away from.

Jymaster is absurd.
Def fold pre, he'll just own u post, and on the river it's easiest call ever

trivial call

preflop is fine if you know how to play postflop

*** RIVER *** [6s 7d 3h 9s] [Ts]
nadler bets 128,888
Jymaster11 has 15 seconds left to act
Jymaster11 raises to 302,795
nadler calls 173,907
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jymaster11 shows [6h Ad] a pair of Sixes
nadler shows [4s 5s] a flush, Ten high
nadler wins the pot (812,068) with a flush, Ten high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 812,068 | Rake 0
Board: [6s 7d 3h 9s Ts]
Seat 1: ronaldgrauer (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: nadler (big blind) showed [4s 5s] and won (812,068) with a flush, Ten high
Seat 3: TDW11 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Jymaster11 showed [6h Ad] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 5: NDIrish13 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: OCS folded before the Flop
Seat 7: ThunderFX folded before the Flop
Seat 8: cream420 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: yoojunghoon (button) folded before the Flop

Thanks for the help.