edit: now you can actually watch this hand here (starts 1 minute in, I am the AcKc guy):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4CJEhyO4Xs&NR=1
So when I walk to my table for the day1 of the ME I see it is going to be the ESPN one, I dunno if I like the thing, then someone offers me some $$$ to wear a hat and I guess all of a sudden yes, I do like it. But on my immediate left there you go mr. Lindgren, great guy, nice and all but not only a great player, also being running like god lately, POY etc.

After a couple of hours in it, I have been playing pretty tightish but also open raising mediocre to weak holdings from late positions. I showed a K9s, an A6o and something else like that (not saying I had been loose as chit but you know what I mean).

Before the crucial hand vs Lindgren another key hand occurred (it had a role into the decision I took in the latter hand, imo):
good player who was splashing around a bit trying to accumulate chips (laggy style, he is a good/very good cash game player I think) open raises early pos and I repop him in position w QQ, he flats, the flop goes K93 2 hearts he checks I bet he calls, turn is another hearts, he checks I check back, river is the Q spades he leads like 5k in a 3.5k pot. I go wtf, this isn’t a value sized bet, he is obv either on air or on the flush. I have 17k back, and if I call and lose, it hurts me considerably. I decide it is too early for him to try a move like this and I put him on a very strong hand, overbetting for value (if that even makes sense). So I fold my QQ face up and he mucks (later, guy says he has a set as well, a set of 3s, so I basically had the correct reasoning, and made the wrong fold coz yes, the guy thought he wanted a call, but he actually didn’t). (Oh, and I folded face up only to let people know I could be easily pushed around).

So, after this precedent, I am on 37k w bbs at 150/300 when the following hand takes place:
I open raise AKs from the c/o, and Lindgren calls his button (which he is obv doing pretty frequently; he is on 40k). 2 handed. Flop goes AA4 rainbow. I lead ¾ pot (as I have been doing that with air), and he triples my bet. :/ I immediately know he is on 44, obv. Not only coz I run like a tard. He flats A4 there, as any A, coz it is too unlikely that I got the case A, and he is not gonna be paid by a PP type of hand, not from me, as he has already seen from the QQ hand. For the same reason he obv can be reraising on air, putting me on a PP that I am willing to release pretty easily. By the way. I go OH SHIT Y ME JESUS, and call his raise, then check call the 6 turn and the T river. On the river before calling I put some drama on for the cameras, calling Lindgren’s hand (lol like there was ANYBODY not knowing it by then) and saying things like But damn it, can I really fold my AK here to a player like you (meaning: capable of moves etc.)? River bet was 13k, and I had 20k left. I think the final argument that made me call his river bet was, yes, the QQ hand I played before. He saw I was capable of laying down hands, and that I was pretty observant of the size of the bets in general. He decided not to put me allin, leaving me few K back, thing that is str8forward an indication of strenght, isn’t it? (to be read as weakness then?!) I dunno if this is like 10th level from him now but… isn’t he pushing a 44 type hand here on the river? Or maybe he thought I could of been scared too much by the allin riv, facing elimination from me etc? Anyway, somehow I thought he could also being representing the 44 hand now.

Oh, btw. Can I fold the AK hand here? On what street? Maybe call the flop and check fold turn? Or call, check call, check fold? Or do I simply “have to” call the 3 streets?
As I starded my “Oh wtf obv u had 4s I had to fold, me donk” speech, Lindgren goes: Oh, boy, don’t be harsh w yourself, you are supposed to go broke there, instead you have 20 bbs left, you called my hand and you lost the min, evb goes broke there, I can assure you. (Obv brag, I know).

Oh, well. 3 hands later I get dealt KK and someone else is sitting on AA. I run goooooooooooooooot.
Btw seriously, would you guys mind discussing the AK hand?
Ty
(oh, obv FU type comments and leveling posts by balla 3$ mtters very much appreciated)

Tough laydown.

But let's talk about the hat. How much money did you get and what company was the hat for?

my 1st tHougHt was How mucH u get for wearin da Hat

He didn't make it completely clear in the OP but yeah he insinuated that it was ultimately 44 (not a weaker ace that filled up or something).

I go broke on the AK hand for sure but the QQ hand was what killed you, that is a call for me for sure (obv I can fold there sometimes but rarely, especially the way you said the hand was played that is a call for me).

so how much u get for the hat?

 

Originally Posted by mhoddi

I can't tell from your writing, did he actually show you 44, or did you just think he had 44, and then he said 'gld, I had 44', etc? How you'd immed know he has 44 when he triples your c-bet is beyond me, thus I'm curious if he actually showed.

...also, how much did you get for the hat?

I said: "Mr. Lindgren, you have 2 red 4s but I can't fold this, I guess, can I?", and check called him. He tabled 44.

I was promised 8k for the hat and the logo on my shirt.

qq is think is a call i mean it just silly to over bet the pot with the a flush cuz you just scare weaker hands off

ak- i mean thats a sick spot but couldn't he be value betting aq there? I dunno but i don't think i'm folding ak in that spot most the time.

guys,
I perfectly know the QQQ fold seems pretty weak, and it may well be as I obv am not a top player, btw problem is that as I already said the guy is a good to very good cash player, and an overbet there is a typical cash game bet with the goods trying to induce a call by weak to mediocre hands based on the old dear "overbetting a real strong hand is silly" argument imo
I dunno tho -felt like that

Seriously...never show your hands for any reason unless your like a 13th level player who knows exactly how itll effect the dynamics of the table and itll be in your favor. You showing that hand and wanting people to know they can push you off big hands just makes this an extra hard spot extra difficult for you imo.

 

Originally Posted by Ship Happens

Seriously...never show your hands for any reason unless your like a 13th level player who knows exactly how itll effect the dynamics of the table and itll be in your favor. You showing that hand and wanting people to know they can push you off big hands just makes this an extra hard spot extra difficult for you imo.

ditto, this is a mistake I won't be doing in the future anymore.

and yes, I confess I was trying to induce some foolish bluff from randoms in the future hands

 

Originally Posted by thesegoto_11

I was promised 8k for the hat and the logo on my shirt.

And did u get it?

 

Originally Posted by JBT449

Jeez that's a nightmare hand to have to play at the feature table...atleast you pulled a Negreanu and told the world what he had, and then called. My one question is how did you assign a range of only 44 after his flop raise? Seems a little extreme to only put him on a boat on the flop. It seemed like you completely ruled out him potentially bluffing you on the flop and I was just curious as to why since I was not at the table, and have some experience playing with Lindgren online where I have witnessed him try to push people around.

lol ditto, obv a total nightmare, btw yes, I pulled a negreanu LMAO :)
Seriously tho, it was the flow of the game that was telling me he wasnt messing around with me. He changed his expression (he became DEADLY serious for the first time and red, yes: red, seriously!) and he was making a raise on a bet litterally for the first time as well, since the start. Yes, he had been trying to steal pots but he never pulled huge moves till then. I mean, he was obv betting 7 high when nobody seemd to like the pot, but he hadn't reraised anyone yet. And I had seen him flatting in position AT on a A65T rainbow board, or something like that. He was playing good attentive low ball game overall (understandably, imo). So when he wakes up all of a sudden and becomes deadly serious and reraises a board that I very likely hit... U know what I mean, I am sure. He plays it slow only if he thinks I can get away from the hand. He plays it fast as shit only coz he WANTS the pot to grow. If he wants the pot to stay small, he knows how to. My check calling to the riv still cost me like 30 out of my 37 k tho. sigh :(

Ok just read the rest. So you showed the QQ face up and then Lindgren raises your Cbet on the AA4 and you KNOW he has 44? LOL DONKAMENTS.

it's easy to say 'you should've trusted your read' after the fact but yeah, I do think you should've, especially knowing that Lindgren has been playing smallball. However, I dunno I'd probably just be like "I haz set" and call just like you did; you can hardly be blamed