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  1. info i have about the guy is that is playing very very loose and he always but alllllllllways bet on every street.... so i said to myself that next time i flop something im just calling every street and let him bluff me his $, but when he pushed on the river i kinda chickened out..... seriously i want some thoughts on this one... what can he possible have ???????

    Full Tilt Poker Game #7891598626: Table Effort (heads up) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:58:44 ET - 2008/09/01

    Seat 1: Plz_Stop_Lookin ($3,089.25)

    Seat 2: head2782 ($2,884.75)

    Plz_Stop_Lookin posts the small blind of $10

    head2782 posts the big blind of $20

    The button is in seat #1

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to head2782 [Jc Qc]

    Plz_Stop_Lookin raises to $60

    head2782 calls $40

    *** FLOP *** [Qs 3d 6h]

    head2782 checks

    Plz_Stop_Lookin bets $80

    head2782 calls $80

    *** TURN *** [Qs 3d 6h] [Ad]

    head2782 checks

    Plz_Stop_Lookin bets $280

    head2782 calls $280

    *** RIVER *** [Qs 3d 6h Ad] [Kc]

    head2782 checks

    Plz_Stop_Lookin has 15 seconds left to act

    Plz_Stop_Lookin bets $2,669.25, and is all in

    head2782 has 15 seconds left to act

    head2782 has requested TIME
    ???????????????????????????????????
     
  2. prolly not gonna get very good answers here....I honestly have no idea what i would do.
  3. yah i probably chicken out here too.... ur grindin 10/20nl on FT head??? i dont see u there too often
     
  4. I think you fold. I know he could have 45 or air but it's a bit of an overbet and your hand is weak. I dunno I think we can do better. Also trapping with top pair no kicker not necessarily genius but I understand what you are trying to do. Could be wrong tho
     
  5. sup tilty.... on tilt ive been playing more 25-50 and did very good last coupls sessions.... its kinda more stressfull so i was playing 10-20 today to be more relax :)....

    yaa kenny i know what you are saying the thing is that with this guy I was focusing on that strategy of just calling him cause he was really spewing his $$ and he always folded to my raises.... i dont know very sick spot when he pushed thats why i wanted some thoughts
     
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  6. can i ask why you didn't raise the flop? How in the world are you supposed to see where you stand when you just smooth call? I definitely lay this down. What exactly are you beating here? The river may have completed a hand like TJ and even a lot of other hands are beating you. I don't think I can call $2000+ on a board that doesn't even look like it could have missed some draws.
  7. have u called him down to the river before??? if yes... did he shut down?? i think you have to fold here im puttin him on mostly aces up and straight
     
  8.  
    Originally Posted by illmatic View Post

    can i ask why you didn't raise the flop? How in the world are you supposed to see where you stand when you just smooth call? I definitely lay this down. What exactly are you beating here? The river may have completed a hand like TJ and even a lot of other hands are beating you. I don't think I can call $2000+ on a board that doesn't even look like it could have missed some draws.

    he didn't raise the flop because he was going to let villain bluff his monies off.

    fwiw, calling would help me sleep easy at night.
     
  9.  
    Originally Posted by illmatic View Post

    can i ask why you didn't raise the flop? How in the world are you supposed to see where you stand when you just smooth call? I definitely lay this down. What exactly are you beating here? The river may have completed a hand like TJ and even a lot of other hands are beating you. I don't think I can call $2000+ on a board that doesn't even look like it could have missed some draws.

    he flatted b/c he wanted to check call for value on future streets.....didnt u read his post??
     
  10. my bad OP, kind of skimmed through your initial post...
  11. Not sure about the river decision but my thoughts are use game selection and find an easier opponent.
  12.  
    Originally Posted by tiltyjoker View Post

    have u called him down to the river before??? if yes... did he shut down?? i think you have to fold here im puttin him on mostly aces up and straight

    a couple of times, like 2 or 3 times and he had something but in that case he would value bet not push all in..... and fwiw he couldnt pass one hand without throwing 3 barrels
     
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  13. I think if that's the case you let this one go and catch him slippin another time. Pretty sure you're beat here.
  14.  
    Originally Posted by swd805 View Post

    Not sure about the river decision but my thoughts are use game selection and find an easier opponent.

    seems like perfect opponent to me
  15.  
    Originally Posted by 3kingme3 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by swd805 View Post

    Not sure about the river decision but my thoughts are use game selection and find an easier opponent.

    seems like perfect opponent to me

    Exactly, you just have to catch him slippin, but the same goes vice versa, and I think this hand posted by head is an example of him shoving on the river instead of value'ing because of previous hands between the two making it seem like he was shoving air on the river, but I think he had the goods. No shame in laying down, I think you get his money in the long haul
  16. lol at comin to p5s pd to answer high stakes hu nl questions
  17. lol at thinking plz_stop_lookin is spewing and playing like a maniac
     
  18.  
    Originally Posted by SCTrojans View Post

    lol at comin to p5s pd to answer high stakes hu nl questions

    good thing PD has me ;p LOL
     
  19.  
    Originally Posted by SCTrojans View Post

    lol at comin to p5s pd to answer high stakes hu nl questions

    where the fuckkkkkk should I go then??? or should I make another retarded post about cash out problems or something???

    like waco said a long time ago, there should be a high stakes forum here to discuss these types of hand... not my fkin problem if there isnt yet......

    now GTFO of my thread if you are not going to say anything good
     
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  20.  
    Originally Posted by head2782 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by SCTrojans View Post

    lol at comin to p5s pd to answer high stakes hu nl questions

    where the fuckkkkkk should I go then??? or should I make another retarded post about cash out problems or something???

    like waco said a long time ago, there should be a high stakes forum here to discuss these types of hand... not my fkin problem if there isnt yet......

    now GTFO of my thread if you are not going to say anything good

    Head,

    SCT is referring to the fact that:

    a) most high stakes players here are high stakes MTT players
    b) you rarely find good mtt advice in PD, much less high stakes NL advice
    c) there is a site, something to do with 4+4, that will have what you are looking for.
  21.  
    Originally Posted by head2782 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by SCTrojans View Post

    lol at comin to p5s pd to answer high stakes hu nl questions

    where the fuckkkkkk should I go then??? or should I make another retarded post about cash out problems or something???

    like waco said a long time ago, there should be a high stakes forum here to discuss these types of hand... not my fkin problem if there isnt yet......

    now GTFO of my thread if you are not going to say anything good

    amen..... but yah ur prob. not gonna get the best responses here ;/
     
  22. results for you guys who are interested.... maybe a brag post but i know this type of hand can help to some of you out there... gl at the tables

    <DIR>
    Full Tilt Poker Game #7891598626: Table Effort (heads up) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:58:44 ET - 2008/09/01

    Seat 1: Plz_Stop_Lookin ($3,089.25)

    Seat 2: head2782 ($2,884.75)

    Plz_Stop_Lookin posts the small blind of $10

    head2782 posts the big blind of $20

    The button is in seat #1

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to head2782 [Jc Qc]

    Plz_Stop_Lookin raises to $60

    head2782 calls $40

    *** FLOP *** [Qs 3d 6h]

    head2782 checks

    Plz_Stop_Lookin bets $80

    head2782 calls $80

    *** TURN *** [Qs 3d 6h] [Ad]

    head2782 checks

    Plz_Stop_Lookin bets $280

    head2782 calls $280

    *** RIVER *** [Qs 3d 6h Ad] [Kc]

    head2782 checks

    Plz_Stop_Lookin has 15 seconds left to act

    Plz_Stop_Lookin bets $2,669.25, and is all in

    head2782 has 15 seconds left to act

    head2782 has requested TIME

    head2782 calls $2,464.75, and is all in

    Uncalled bet of $204.50 returned to Plz_Stop_Lookin

    *** SHOW DOWN ***

    Plz_Stop_Lookin shows [Tc 8h] Ace King high

    head2782 shows [Jc Qc] a pair of Queens

    head2782 wins the pot ($5,769) with a pair of Queens

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot $5,769.50 | Rake $0.50

    Board: [Qs 3d 6h Ad Kc]

    <DIR>
    Seat 1: Plz_Stop_Lookin (small blind) showed [Tc 8h] and lost with Ace King high
    </DIR>
    Seat 2: head2782 (big blind) showed [Jc Qc] and won ($5,769) with a pair of Queens
    </DIR>
     
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  23. He misses the flop and cbets...reads you weak on the turn and semibluffs with the scare card but really picks up a diamond draw with his suited connectors...and the feeds you a jam sammich with air on the river with his broken flush. (I like doing hand analysis with the only scenario your beating )
  24.  
    Originally Posted by shipitthisway View Post

    lol at thinking plz_stop_lookin is spewing and playing like a maniac

    looooooooooooooool omg yaa ok explain me this one then

    <DIR>
    Full Tilt Poker Game #7891643341: Table Effort (heads up) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:02:26 ET - 2008/09/01

    Seat 1: Plz_Stop_Lookin ($2,099.50)

    Seat 2: head2782 ($5,708.50)

    head2782 posts the small blind of $10

    Plz_Stop_Lookin posts the big blind of $20

    The button is in seat #2

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to head2782 [7d 7h]

    head2782 calls $10

    Plz_Stop_Lookin raises to $2,099.50, and is all in

    head2782 calls $2,079.50

    Plz_Stop_Lookin shows [8d 6h]

    head2782 shows [7d 7h]

    *** FLOP *** [3s 2h 9h]

    *** TURN *** [3s 2h 9h] [Qd]

    *** RIVER *** [3s 2h 9h Qd] [7c]

    Plz_Stop_Lookin shows Queen Nine high

    head2782 shows three of a kind, Sevens

    head2782 wins the pot ($4,198.50) with three of a kind, Sevens

    Plz_Stop_Lookin stands up

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot $4,199 | Rake $0.50

    Board: [3s 2h 9h Qd 7c]

    Seat 1: Plz_Stop_Lookin (big blind) showed [8d 6h] and lost with Queen Nine high

    Seat 2: head2782 (small blind) showed [7d 7h] and won ($4,198.50) with three of a kind, Sevens
    </DIR>
     
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  25. wow, sick call head, i'll shut up now and let you guys do your thing.
  26. yah I was almost right...I didnt see the results till after I posted
  27. <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><H4 class=P5_PostHeader> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=center><TD vAlign=top align=left rowSpan=2> </TD><TD align=left colSpan=2><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Re:sickkkkkk spot in cash games Nl holdem 10-20...... want some thoughts on this one </TD><TD vAlign=center align=right>In reply to </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>By swd805 on 09-01-2008 2:10 PM </TD><TD align=right>Reply Quote </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></H4> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=P5_PostContent><TABLE height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=ForumPostContentText>Not sure about the river decision but my thoughts are use game selection and find an easier opponent.

    swd u do realize this is head2782 were talking about right???
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  28. <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><H4 class=P5_PostHeader> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=center><TD vAlign=top align=left rowSpan=2> </TD><TD align=left colSpan=2><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Re:sickkkkkk spot in cash games Nl holdem 10-20...... want some thoughts on this one </TD><TD vAlign=center align=right>In reply to </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>By shipitthisway on 09-01-2008 2:27 PM </TD><TD align=right>Reply Quote </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></H4> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=P5_PostContent><TABLE height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=ForumPostContentText>lol at thinking plz_stop_lookin is spewing and playing like a maniac

    yeah shoving 100 bbs pre after the SB limped with 86 off is pretty standard HU cash game strategy...lololol....im sure he is your boy or something shititthis way but i dont think u coulda been mroe wrong on this one.
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  29. So you know you cant come to P5s for HSNLHE advice.....I would say nice brag on owning this guy HU but FAIL.
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  30. all i was saying is theres a lot of easier opponents than plz_stop_looking, it looks like he was tilted during this session, so with that in mind may as well try to take advantage of that.

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