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thats basically impossible unless you just crush the highest stakes.
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Even if you could....that would be soooooooooooooooooooooo boring.
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I think it depends on what your view of making a living is. I play $50 buy in sngs mostly, and usually just stick to 1 table at a time. If I really wanted to play 40+ hours a week I could probably avg. $20-$30/hr. That's better than some do in the 9-5 world.
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Joined: Oct 06Aug 3rd, 2009 (8/3/2009 4:58am) in reply to mm Guinness mm
I'm pretty sure this is not possible but good luck.Originally Posted by mm Guinness mm
I think it depends on what your view of making a living is. I play $50 buy in sngs mostly, and usually just stick to 1 table at a time. If I really wanted to play 40+ hours a week I could probably avg. $20-$30/hr. That's better than some do in the 9-5 world.
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Not in the slightest bit possible.
Originally Posted by mm Guinness mm
I think it depends on what your view of making a living is. I play $50 buy in sngs mostly, and usually just stick to 1 table at a time. If I really wanted to play 40+ hours a week I could probably avg. $20-$30/hr. That's better than some do in the 9-5 world.
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Joined: Jul 08Aug 3rd, 2009 (8/3/2009 11:30am) in reply to Mrfreeze53
Guinness, you probably ran hella hot... I'd bet a large amount of money that pretty much anyone couldn't maintain $20/hr single-tabling $50 SnG's.
In cash games, you can single-table if you so choose, but in SnG's that's a big no-no. -
ive learned if you play less tables it helps you focus more
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Joined: Mar 06Aug 3rd, 2009 (8/3/2009 11:53am) in reply to leftygrove
Just curious why you say it's a big no no. I feel I do much better single tabling sng's. I am able recognize the players tendencies in one table. It's hard to know who is doing what in so many different tables. I have tried multi-tabling, but I seem to just lose money. I'm sure ICM and push/fold is a big leak in my game. I guess I just go with what works for me.Originally Posted by leftygrove
Guinness, you probably ran hella hot... I'd bet a large amount of money that pretty much anyone couldn't maintain $20/hr single-tabling $50 SnG's.
In cash games, you can single-table if you so choose, but in SnG's that's a big no-no.
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It's a big no-no because even the best strive for a 10% ROI in 1 table SNG's. More than likely a decent player will fall into the 3-8% range. Meaning at best you can hope for is $5.50 per SNG. If each one takes 1 hr to play, you are making $5.50 per hour. More likely to make $1.65 - $4.40 per table or per hour 1 tabling. A part time job at minimum wage ($7.25/hr.) is more lucrative.
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My ROI is 10%, and I have only played single table sng's, but I am only making a profit of $1 per sng. I play turbos, so I guess I am only making $2 an hour. What do the online proffesionals make? I only play $11 turbos. So figuratively speaking, If I were to quit my job today, and play sng's for a living. I make $20 an hour at my job. What stakes, and how may sng's at a time would I have to play to maintain this hourly rate? Anybody? I appreciate the feedback.Originally Posted by JJDude
It's a big no-no because even the best strive for a 10% ROI in 1 table SNG's. More than likely a decent player will fall into the 3-8% range. Meaning at best you can hope for is $5.50 per SNG. If each one takes 1 hr to play, you are making $5.50 per hour. More likely to make $1.65 - $4.40 per table or per hour 1 tabling. A part time job at minimum wage ($7.25/hr.) is more lucrative.
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you can play better with one table but make way way way more money multi tabling.
Originally Posted by Tex
Just curious why you say it's a big no no. I feel I do much better single tabling sng's. I am able recognize the players tendencies in one table. It's hard to know who is doing what in so many different tables. I have tried multi-tabling, but I seem to just lose money. I'm sure ICM and push/fold is a big leak in my game. I guess I just go with what works for me.Originally Posted by leftygrove
Guinness, you probably ran hella hot... I'd bet a large amount of money that pretty much anyone couldn't maintain $20/hr single-tabling $50 SnG's.
In cash games, you can single-table if you so choose, but in SnG's that's a big no-no.
i can play a $12 45 one at a time and average prolly 30% ish or more but if i play 24 at a time i can average at a minimum 10%, prolly close to 20% so u can see the difference in the amount of money you can make. -
but yes it is possible to make a living playing 1 table at a time even if it is not that high of stakes. you could play$3/$6 limit and if u make over 2bb/100 plus rakeback you can make at least prolly $14 plus an hour. just depends what you think making a living is, obv u can play a bit higher stakes to make more money also............. but in everything it is more beneficial to multi table except for maybe the highest HU games.
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Joined: Mar 06Aug 3rd, 2009 (8/3/2009 12:42pm) in reply to pharreal87
i can play a $12 45 one at a time and average prolly 30% ish or more but if i play 24 at a time i can average at a minimum 10%, prolly close to 20% so u can see the difference in the amount of money you can make.
So even if your ROI decreases you can still profit more? How is that? Just curious. Sorry, I am terrible at math. I have tried multi tabling 4 sng's at a time, and for the most part will lose all 4, or maybe lose 3 and finish 2nd in one. -
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Joined: Jun 06Aug 3rd, 2009 (8/3/2009 12:55pm) in reply to mm Guinness mm
You say you play 1 table at a time, at $50/game. That's probably around 1.5 S&G's per hour for turbos. You say you make ~$25/hour. Let's do some quick ROI math. $50*1.5hours = $75 in buyins per hour. $25 profit/ $75 buyin = 0.33% ROI. I'm sure you can't achieve a 33% ROI in $50 turbo S&G's.Originally Posted by mm Guinness mm
I think it depends on what your view of making a living is. I play $50 buy in sngs mostly, and usually just stick to 1 table at a time. If I really wanted to play 40+ hours a week I could probably avg. $20-$30/hr. That's better than some do in the 9-5 world.
BTW, you said IF you wanted to play 40 hours a week, you'd average $20-$30/hour. You do realize that the only thing that affects your $/hour are the stakes, your roi, and how many you play at once. The amount of hours you play per week has nothing to do with $/hour. -
Because a 30% ROI in like a $10 game is $3. That's 1 game at a time. If he plays 24 at a time at 10% ROI that's $24 in the same timeframe.
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<TABLE class=sortTable id=t1 borderColor=black border=1><THEAD> <TR class=sortTable><TH class=sortTableasc width=140>Username</TH><TH class=sortTable>Games Played</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. Profit</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. Stake</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. ROI</TH><TH class=sortTable width=50>Total Profit</TH><TH class=sortTable>Form</TH><TH class=sortTable>Ability /100</TH><TH class=sortTable>Network</TH><TH class=sortTable width=50>Filter</TH></TR></THEAD> <TBODY id=tablerows><TR class=sortTable id="mm Guinness mm#fulltilt& SNG Only"><TD class=sortTable align=middle>mm Guinness mm </TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>49</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align=right>$22 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align=right>$44 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align=middle>40%</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align=right>$1,102 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align=middle>Hot</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The ability rating is a number up to 100 that shows a players ability based on combining all the statistical measures we have for that player." align=middle>89</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>FullTilt</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>SNG Only </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Originally Posted by mapunk
You say you play 1 table at a time, at $50/game. That's probably around 1.5 S&G's per hour for turbos. You say you make ~$25/hour. Let's do some quick ROI math. $50*1.5hours = $75 in buyins per hour. $25 profit/ $75 buyin = 0.33% ROI. I'm sure you can't achieve a 33% ROI in $50 turbo S&G's.Originally Posted by mm Guinness mm
I think it depends on what your view of making a living is. I play $50 buy in sngs mostly, and usually just stick to 1 table at a time. If I really wanted to play 40+ hours a week I could probably avg. $20-$30/hr. That's better than some do in the 9-5 world.
BTW, you said IF you wanted to play 40 hours a week, you'd average $20-$30/hour. You do realize that the only thing that affects your $/hour are the stakes, your roi, and how many you play at once. The amount of hours you play per week has nothing to do with $/hour.
So I guess $20-$30/hr was a little too high of an estimate given varience, etc. But I still think its attainable. Maybe either playing 1 table $100 buy ins, or 2 $50 buy ins at once. -
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even if your some godly player your never gonna average even 15% at these stakes let alont 10% most likelyOriginally Posted by mm Guinness mm
<TABLE class=sortTable id=t1 borderColor=black border=1><THEAD> <TR class=sortTable><TH class=sortTableasc width=140>Username</TH><TH class=sortTable>Games Played</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. Profit</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. Stake</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. ROI</TH><TH class=sortTable width=50>Total Profit</TH><TH class=sortTable>Form</TH><TH class=sortTable>Ability /100</TH><TH class=sortTable>Network</TH><TH class=sortTable width=50>Filter</TH></TR></THEAD> <TBODY id=tablerows><TR class=sortTable id="mm Guinness mm#fulltilt& SNG Only"><TD class=sortTable align=middle>mm Guinness mm </TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>49</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align=right>$22 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align=right>$44 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align=middle>40%</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align=right>$1,102 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align=middle>Hot</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The ability rating is a number up to 100 that shows a players ability based on combining all the statistical measures we have for that player." align=middle>89</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>FullTilt</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>SNG Only </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Originally Posted by mapunk
You say you play 1 table at a time, at $50/game. That's probably around 1.5 S&G's per hour for turbos. You say you make ~$25/hour. Let's do some quick ROI math. $50*1.5hours = $75 in buyins per hour. $25 profit/ $75 buyin = 0.33% ROI. I'm sure you can't achieve a 33% ROI in $50 turbo S&G's.Originally Posted by mm Guinness mm
I think it depends on what your view of making a living is. I play $50 buy in sngs mostly, and usually just stick to 1 table at a time. If I really wanted to play 40+ hours a week I could probably avg. $20-$30/hr. That's better than some do in the 9-5 world.
BTW, you said IF you wanted to play 40 hours a week, you'd average $20-$30/hour. You do realize that the only thing that affects your $/hour are the stakes, your roi, and how many you play at once. The amount of hours you play per week has nothing to do with $/hour.
So I guess $20-$30/hr was a little too high of an estimate given varience, etc. But I still think its attainable. Maybe either playing 1 table $100 buy ins, or 2 $50 buy ins at once. -
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I average $8/game profit on FTP @ around 13% ROI. I usually play 2 or 3 at once, and I play turbos, so I make the $20/hr that is your target. To obtain this however, you need to be in top 10% of all sng players (check out sharkscope for comparisons to see how you stack up against top tier) and you need to play at least $50 stakes. $100 is better. Disclaimer is I am not a pro, only a part timer, but at around 1,000 games that is a good sample size to know where somebody is at.
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Table selection people. A $50 game maybe 2x as profitable than a $500 game depending on who the players are.Originally Posted by Billy Barue1
I average $8/game profit on FTP @ around 13% ROI. I usually play 2 or 3 at once, and I play turbos, so I make the $20/hr that is your target. To obtain this however, you need to be in top 10% of all sng players (check out sharkscope for comparisons to see how you stack up against top tier) and you need to play at least $50 stakes. $100 is better. Disclaimer is I am not a pro, only a part timer, but at around 1,000 games that is a good sample size to know where somebody is at.
Read jhub's blog on table selection. -
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And yes, to Sigma's point, if you are choosy on tables, this will significantly augment your ROI obv.
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lol sample size and variance.Originally Posted by mm Guinness mm
<TABLE id=t1 class=sortTable border=1 borderColor=black><THEAD> <TR class=sortTable><TH class=sortTableasc width=140>Username</TH><TH class=sortTable>Games Played</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. Profit</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. Stake</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. ROI</TH><TH class=sortTable width=50>Total Profit</TH><TH class=sortTable>Form</TH><TH class=sortTable>Ability /100</TH><TH class=sortTable>Network</TH><TH class=sortTable width=50>Filter</TH></TR></THEAD> <TBODY id=tablerows><TR id="mm Guinness mm#fulltilt& SNG Only" class=sortTable><TD class=sortTable align=middle>mm Guinness mm </TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>49</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align=right>$22 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align=right>$44 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align=middle>40%</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align=right>$1,102 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align=middle>Hot</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The ability rating is a number up to 100 that shows a players ability based on combining all the statistical measures we have for that player." align=middle>89</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>FullTilt</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>SNG Only </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
you have no chance to win at this rate over the long term, esp if you are playing 40 hours/week, playing when you are tired, having regs adjust to your game.
seriously, you think 49 sngs means something? some of the top players in the world can have break even streaks playing hundreds or even thousands of these things, how does 49 sngs mean anything? -
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15% roi is AWESOME if your playing the 60$ turbos. lets say you can play 2 an hour, thats 18 bucks an hour if your like one of the best sng players in the world. your running super good in a 49 game sample, play atleast 1000 to 2000 games and you may have a general idea what your roi is. if you can attain 10% that is great.
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Why, thanks for the compliment brother... :) Phi Phi.
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