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SITES KNOW WHO CHEAT but WE DONT

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  1. TookURCookie TookURCookie is offline

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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 2:36pm)

    What's stopping these sites from sharing the personal information(at least a name) of players that they catch cheating?

    -AFAIK they don't even provide the players who were cheated w/ the screen name of the culprit. It's up to the community to use process of elimination or word of mouth to figure out who it was.

    Can't they put a "**disclaimer- (when signing up) if a player violates rules X, Y and Z of TOS they are releasing the rights to make their name/personal information public." ?

    -IMO this would deter cheats from their ways, having the extra risk of being publicly humiliated or publicly humiliating a friend or family members name that they might be using to multi-account.

    -The sites are only hindering the success of online poker by not making this information public and allowing players like Sorel to say "prove it". To me, the word of a gambler is just as valuable as his/her money. They should be working with us and not just along side of us. After all, we share as much information as possible with them and it is our money being cheated.

    -If the sites shared some of the cheaters information with the honest players of the poker community(which I believe is the overwhelming majority) it would make this game much easier to patrol for both us and the sites. I bet the rotten apples will fall outta this tree alot faster, and there will be much less of them in the future.

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  2. sprstoner sprstoner is offline

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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 2:42pm) in reply to TookURCookie

    i really wish they would out ppl too, but i am assuming their lawyers tell them not to.
     
  3. bob2bob bob2bob is offline

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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 2:42pm) in reply to TookURCookie

    I don't understand why they wouldn't tell either. If the person is banned we won't see the screenname again, and if they aren't they will get bashed from the rail and will hopefully help keep them from doing it again. i vote to tell all names of cheats.
     
  4. Hecklerz Hecklerz is offline

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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 2:51pm) in reply to TookURCookie

    I guess I always assumed but don't know for sure that these sites MUST leave culprits names anonymous. Again, I don't know for sure but wouldn't this part of a privacy act or something? If it is a legal issue (I'm sure it is one way or another) then you can't have it waived in a disclaimer.

    That is just my thinking of the situation. I too would like to see the names of guilty parties released but that is just nothing more than a personal wish list.
  5. john biznatch john biznatch is offline

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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 3:40pm) in reply to Hecklerz

    i think this is just a really horrible idea.

    who made a poker site judge and jury if your a cheater or not.

    do you get a hearing?

    its really no great benefit to the site and a legal nightmare.
  6. DarnGood DarnGood is offline

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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 3:42pm) in reply to john biznatch

    why is it a legal nightmare?

    Has anyone ever successfully sued a pokersite?
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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 3:54pm) in reply to john biznatch

     
    Originally Posted by john biznatch View Post

    i think this is just a really horrible idea.

    who made a poker site judge and jury if your a cheater or not.

    do you get a hearing?

    its really no great benefit to the site and a legal nightmare.

    they don't just ban people and take their winnings without pretty sufficient evidence.
     
  8. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 4:20pm) in reply to bob2bob

    Don't they have the daily police reports of burglaries and crap in the newspapers. OUT THEM!
  9. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 4:23pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    But then the sites couldn't pick and chose who to penalize for breaking their rules with impunity. How would FTP explain the differant punishments for guys like Laliberte, Antonius and Degenyamine as opposed to the likes of Brian Townsend.
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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 4:50pm) in reply to jtown1010

     
    Originally Posted by jtown1010 View Post

    But then the sites couldn't pick and chose who to penalize for breaking their rules with impunity. How would FTP explain the differant punishments for guys like Laliberte, Antonius and Degenyamine as opposed to the likes of Brian Townsend.

    valid arguement
     
  11. bonkey bonkey is offline

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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 6:06pm) in reply to TookURCookie

    why, it would just turn them into celebrities. Just think, no body wants to beat the shit of JJProdigy, they want to suck his dick off.
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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 6:36pm) in reply to jtown1010

    what did brian do?
     
  13. TookURCookie TookURCookie is offline

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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 8:35pm) in reply to tmfd001

    he used another account to play cash games anonymously.
     
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  14. H8M8C H8M8C is offline

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    Oct 20th, 2008 (10/20/2008 9:33pm) in reply to TookURCookie

    This is a great idea...when you get a ticket or arrested it becomes public records. Thats why you get all the advertisements in the mail from lawyers around town. So why could a poker site not release the info.
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    Oct 21st, 2008 (10/21/2008 1:32am) in reply to bonkey

     
    Originally Posted by bonkey View Post

    why, it would just turn them into celebrities. Just think, no body wants to beat the shit of JJProdigy, they want to suck his dick off.

    Josh Fields has his degenerate followers because they want something from him and thats's all. They are there because he cheats and then brags about it and they are vocal throughout the forums because they aren't smart enough to find something more profitable to do.

    Any other cheaters that have been caught are able to brag all they want but they choose not to because they are smarter then that. It's just another benefit to them that the sites withhold this information.
     
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