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  1. TW1977 TW1977 is offline

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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 10:48am)

    Step 10 WSOP SNG Sat - 4 places pay (3rd + 4th pay $2,250 Step reentry, 2nd pays $3,550 and 1st pays $12k WSOP package).

    <pre><tt><tt>Stage #1634963664 Tourney ID 4095569 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit 400 -
    2009-05-04 21:08:49.009 (ET) [ 2009-05-04 21:08:49 ]
    Table: 28702769 (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
    Seat 5 - GORIANP20 (3296 in chips)
    Seat 6 - TW1977 (2956 in chips)
    Seat 7 - ACEBALLER (5678 in chips)
    Seat 8 - YURYSNUTZ (3813 in chips)
    Seat 9 - IAMCRACKKING (2257 in chips)
    GORIANP20 - Posts small blind 200
    TW1977 - Posts big blind 400
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to TW1977 [Jc Js]
    ACEBALLER - Folds
    YURYSNUTZ - Raises 1100 to 1100
    IAMCRACKKING - Folds
    GORIANP20 - Folds
    TW1977 - All-In(Raise) 2556 to 2956
    YURYSNUTZ - Calls 1856
    *** FLOP *** [Ad 5s 4s]
    *** TURN *** [Ad 5s 4s] [6h]
    *** RIVER *** [Ad 5s 4s 6h] [3d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    TW1977 - Shows [Jc Js] (One pair, jacks)
    YURYSNUTZ - Shows [8c Ac] (One pair, aces)
    YURYSNUTZ Collects 6112 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot(6112)
    Board [Ad 5s 4s 6h 3d]
    Seat 5: GORIANP20 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 6: TW1977 (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, jacks [Jc Js -
    P:Js,P:Jc,B:Ad,B:6h,B:5s]
    Seat 7: ACEBALLER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 8: YURYSNUTZ won Total (6112) HI:(6112) with One pair, aces [8c Ac -
    B:Ad,P:Ac,P:8c,B:6h,B:5s]
    Seat 9: IAMCRACKKING (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

    </tt></tt>Should I be folding JJ here considering IAMCRACKKINGs stack?
    I didn't think it was close given the blinds and the proximity of our stacks,
    but thoughts/input are appreciated - thanks.
    </pre>
  2. moe86 moe86 is offline

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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 10:55am) in reply to TW1977

    play for the seat! i am never folding here, iamcrackking only has like one more bb than u ur stacks r very similar. Granted i normally only think about winning these sng's when simply playing for top two can b profitable. Whats wrong with playin for the W n when u fail u get 2nd ;) . But yeah i am never folding, don't b result oriented keep up the grind glgl
     
  3. iuschmeltz iuschmeltz is offline

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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 11:06am) in reply to TW1977

    No..you did it right. JJ's a gots 2 go. IAMCraccckkings' stack isn't low enought to consider folding here. You're entered to win the seat....you start folding JJ in that situation, and you're never winning. GL
  4. RGC2005 RGC2005 is offline

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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 11:21am) in reply to iuschmeltz

    amen
  5. 8888kush 8888kush is offline

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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 1:31pm) in reply to RGC2005

    I would have played it exact same, UL.
  6. andressoprano andressoprano is offline whaddya think of my game?

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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 1:37pm) in reply to TW1977

    Results oriented much? I mean, what do you want to hear?
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  7. stayhighlowe stayhighlowe is offline

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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 2:01pm) in reply to andressoprano

    no i dont think hes really being that much results oriented obv a little bit being if he won there would prob not be a post about it, but its a serious satty sng queston...

    but no way you should fold this. blinds are just too high, bad break though...if there was like 500 in the pot pre instead of 1200 then you may a tough shippin/folding spot ...
  8. tjmullen07 tjmullen07 is offline

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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 2:03pm) in reply to stayhighlowe

    u played it wrong. SHOVE pre and dont open
  9. GraAlaMat77 GraAlaMat77 is offline

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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 2:08pm) in reply to tjmullen07

     
    Originally Posted by tjmullen07 View Post

    u played it wrong. SHOVE pre and dont open

    WHAT?
  10. iminurhead iminurhead is offline

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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 2:25pm) in reply to tjmullen07

     
    Originally Posted by tjmullen07 View Post

    u played it wrong. SHOVE pre and dont open

    Wat? ^^^^^ read post.....anyway WP, UL .....gl
  11. Tarvin Tarvin is offline

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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 3:27pm) in reply to tjmullen07

     
    Originally Posted by tjmullen07 View Post

    u played it wrong. SHOVE pre and dont open

    You're gonna want to reread the hand history.

    I think you played it fine. Stacks are low, but not low enough to fold JJ to one raise.
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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 3:33pm) in reply to TW1977

    no way out, good play
  13. TW1977 TW1977 is offline

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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 6:15pm) in reply to peacebrother

    Thanks guys. Not being results oriented at all and I originally stated I was happy with my play. Just started wondering more about these situations after reading Jennifear's excellent "when to fold AA pre" analysis.
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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 6:20pm) in reply to TW1977

    You almost played your hand as well as YURYSNUTZ played his...
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    May 5th, 2009 (5/5/2009 7:40pm) in reply to TW1977

    Here's the push/fold Nash Equilibrium for this spot:

    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>CO</TD><TD><TD><TD>40.9%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K9o+ Q2s+ Q9o+ J5s+ J9o+ T6s+ T9o 96s+ 86s+ 76s 65s <<what he should be shoving</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BU</TD><TD><TD>6.6%, 99+ ATs+ AJo+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>4.2%, 99+ AQs+ AKo </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>4.2%, 99+ AQs+ AKo </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD><TD>7.1%, 88+ ATs+ AJo+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>1.4%, QQ+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD><TD>10.7%, 66+ A8s+ A9o+ KQs <<your calling range</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...amp;s8=&s9=

    He should push or fold, and never raise to 1100 with A8s, so I'll assume he isn't good enough to know he needs to shove 40% here. Therefore, you'll have to adjust by being tighter. I like {88+ AJs+ AQo+} here to shove, at minimum, and that's pretty tight. With JJ, high-five the monitor, then shove, which you did. Nice work!
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    May 6th, 2009 (5/6/2009 1:38am) in reply to Jennifear

     
    Originally Posted by Jennifear View Post


    Here's the push/fold Nash Equilibrium for this spot:

    <table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><tbody><tr><td>CO</td><td>40.9%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K9o+ Q2s+ Q9o+ J5s+ J9o+ T6s+ T9o 96s+ 86s+ 76s 65s <<what he should be shoving</td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>6.6%, 99+ ATs+ AJo+ </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>4.2%, 99+ AQs+ AKo </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>4.2%, 99+ AQs+ AKo </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>7.1%, 88+ ATs+ AJo+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>1.4%, QQ+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>10.7%, 66+ A8s+ A9o+ KQs <<your calling range</td></tr></tbody></table>

    http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...amp;s8=&s9=
    He should push or fold, and never raise to 1100 with A8s, so I'll assume he isn't good enough to know he needs to shove 40% here. Therefore, you'll have to adjust by being tighter. I like {88+ AJs+ AQo+} here to shove, at minimum, and that's pretty tight. With JJ, high-five the monitor, then shove, which you did. Nice work!

    Thanks Jennifear - I really appreciate your insight.
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