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  1. nikotes nikotes is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2010 (6/12/2010 4:20pm)

    and is being tight still the best way to be profitable in them?

    Should play be opened up more early in the game until a certain BB level or stack size is reached and then tighten it back up?

    SnG players, what line are you currently taking in these games? Is tight still right?
  2. duclover duclover is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2010 (6/12/2010 4:48pm) in reply to nikotes

    tight is right. Staying tight
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    Jun 12th, 2010 (6/12/2010 6:02pm) in reply to nikotes

     
    Originally Posted by nikotes View Post

    and is being tight still the best way to be profitable in them?

    Should play be opened up more early in the game until a certain BB level or stack size is reached and then tighten it back up?

    SnG players, what line are you currently taking in these games? Is tight still right?

    Almost the exact opposite of this, tight early open up later.
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    Jun 13th, 2010 (6/13/2010 1:12am) in reply to nikotes

     
    Originally Posted by nikotes View Post

    Should play be opened up more early in the game until a certain BB level or stack size is reached and then tighten it back up?

    You don't have enough starting chips to open up very much. Maintaining fold equity is essential when you have not gotten the cards to double up with.
  5. GRETZKY427 GRETZKY427 is offline

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    Jun 13th, 2010 (6/13/2010 1:31am) in reply to JZDada

    Tight early but as you accumulate chips and the blinds increase you can open up your range alittle, but also guage how your opponents are playing and playing back at you as well.
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    Jun 13th, 2010 (6/13/2010 2:57am) in reply to GRETZKY427

    tight is right mainly bc any sng reg is playing way to many tables to open up their game profitably

    if u play 1 table at a time and have a good deep stack post flop game you can probably increase your ROI by opening up your game early
     
  7. DOITDEALER DOITDEALER is offline

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    Jun 13th, 2010 (6/13/2010 3:40am) in reply to okse54

     
    Originally Posted by okse54 View Post

    tight is right mainly bc any sng reg is playing way to many tables to open up their game profitably

    if u play 1 table at a time and have a good deep stack post flop game you can probably increase your ROI by opening up your game early

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    QFT I 1 table and it's +ev
  8. Somepokerguy Somepokerguy is offline

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    Jun 13th, 2010 (6/13/2010 3:58am) in reply to DOITDEALER

    Some bad advice in this thread.

    Since SnG's are dominated by mass multitabling regs, opening your game early and staying aggressive throughout is the correct strategy because they have way too many tables going to play back at you light or to get involved in difficult post flop decisions. With the majority of your opponents playing 10, 20, 30 tables or whatever, you're leaving a TON of money on the table playing the same style they are (tight).
  9. grandmamoneybags grandmamoneybags is offline

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    Jun 13th, 2010 (6/13/2010 5:57am) in reply to Somepokerguy

    tight early loosen later/thread playin loose early is dumb. no equity til ppl start bustin imo.
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    Jun 13th, 2010 (6/13/2010 2:37pm) in reply to grandmamoneybags

    SNG's have definitely become tougher over the last few years and I've seen a slight dip in my ROI. However, part of this is I don't play on some smaller sites anymore and mainly play at stars. But, even since playing at Stars over the last year or so it seems play has gotten tougher. As long as I stay in the black, I'm good :) I don't depend on poker for income, though.
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    Jun 13th, 2010 (6/13/2010 8:39pm) in reply to nikotes

    Tight is right in the early going, but it's not correct to be too much tighter than in say, a cash game. Some of the stuff I see the grinders doing these days makes me wonder how they grind out a profit. I see players open-folding an ace on the button or failing to raise LP limpers in position with hands as big as AJ. Just recognize who is playing too tight and run them over. If they are playing 25 tables, they probably don't have too much interest in defending their blinds. Take em!

     
    Originally Posted by Somepokerguy View Post

    Some bad advice in this thread.

    Since SnG's are dominated by mass multitabling regs, opening your game early and staying aggressive throughout is the correct strategy because they have way too many tables going to play back at you light or to get involved in difficult post flop decisions. With the majority of your opponents playing 10, 20, 30 tables or whatever, you're leaving a TON of money on the table playing the same style they are (tight).

    Exactly this. If you raise your SB with two uno cards and the BB is playing 15% of all hands (very typical for a megatabler) then failing to raise is simply an error.
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    Jun 13th, 2010 (6/13/2010 8:40pm) in reply to Somepokerguy

     
    Originally Posted by Somepokerguy View Post

    Some bad advice in this thread.

    Since SnG's are dominated by mass multitabling regs, opening your game early and staying aggressive throughout is the correct strategy because they have way too many tables going to play back at you light or to get involved in difficult post flop decisions. With the majority of your opponents playing 10, 20, 30 tables or whatever, you're leaving a TON of money on the table playing the same style they are (tight).

    LOL not this

    as in the me multi tbaling so not being able to play back at you light...

    aggression like you say is key, saying people are multi tbaling and wont play back light is kind of off imo
    Edited By: shallowcal Jun 13th, 2010 at 08:42 PM
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    Jun 14th, 2010 (6/14/2010 5:00am) in reply to Jennifear

     
    Originally Posted by Jennifear View Post

    Tight is right in the early going, but it's not correct to be too much tighter than in say, a cash game. Some of the stuff I see the grinders doing these days makes me wonder how they grind out a profit. I see players open-folding an ace on the button or failing to raise LP limpers in position with hands as big as AJ. Just recognize who is playing too tight and run them over. If they are playing 25 tables, they probably don't have too much interest in defending their blinds. Take em!



    Exactly this. If you raise your SB with two uno cards and the BB is playing 15% of all hands (very typical for a megatabler) then failing to raise is simply an error.


    Anything besides this ^^^ is incorrect.
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    Jul 15th, 2010 (7/15/2010 8:30pm) in reply to revolvingiris

    Wow! Answers from all over the spectrum.

    To those that are knocking Jennifear, I suppose you don't know much about her. Like I know much about her anyway, except she destroys SnG's.

    Thanks for the feedback.
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    Jul 15th, 2010 (7/15/2010 8:43pm) in reply to nikotes

    no one's knocking jenn lol
    its just way easier to nit up than have to play post flop pots with marginal cards esp when blinds are tiny ofc we realize there is a limit to the spectrum and she's just the one who's pointing that out.
    Edited By: litlebullet Jul 15th, 2010 at 08:50 PM
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    Jul 15th, 2010 (7/15/2010 9:14pm) in reply to litlebullet

    only way to play sng's is to call an all-in with any two cards if four or more people have shoved in front of you. o yeah, and 1st two levels you HAVE TO limp with any suited Ace, or any suited King. BTW i wrote the book on SNG
  17. andressoprano andressoprano is offline whaddya think of my game?

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    Jul 15th, 2010 (7/15/2010 9:30pm) in reply to stock break

    People sucks at poker, and SNG's is one of the places where you see the most suckers. What Jenn says is spot on (as usual). I'd like to add that the more regs you put at my tables, the happier I am. Nobody more predictable and exploitable than "Johnnyshovesany2onthebuttoniffoldedtome". Gimme me more of them please, I have bills to pay.
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    Jul 15th, 2010 (7/15/2010 10:16pm) in reply to andressoprano

    I agree regarding the mass tabling sit and go players being pretty easily exploitable for single table tournaments. Sit and goes are the only thing online I can actually make money at still. (oh, how I miss the paradise poker days of 2005 when I could even profit in MTTs)

    One guy I always see absolutely kills it when it comes to profit but I play only 3-4 tables at a time and find him very easy to beat for the most part. I can raise his blind with any two cards for only a couple chips more than minimum raise early on and if he plays back I know he's got the goods. Also, if he plays back and I have a monster I know he's calling an all in bet, too. Once he gets to 12-15 BBs and starts to move all in preflop I've been able to narrow his range down pretty easily and that range is fairly wide, as well.

    I still suck though...sigh.
  19. andressoprano andressoprano is offline whaddya think of my game?

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    Jul 15th, 2010 (7/15/2010 10:25pm) in reply to Z-Fresh

    Now we need somebody with a Judas Priest avatar to post ITT
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