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  1. OSUBucks42 OSUBucks42 is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2009 (3/12/2009 2:57pm)

    Background: I have not played many 9 handed SNGs on stars or Full Tilt for that matter, so I have a basic idea of what I am doing. Normally I play HUs, but I'm bored of that, so I wanna transition. Now I have played very tight up until this point. I have stayed out of hands and have not opened a pot yet. However, in the past 2 orbits lag raised the button and I shoved out of the SB and shano raised the button on my BB and i pushed, both folded. So I think I had a tight image. Both players had not done anything out of the ordinary and seemed to play straight forward. What would you guys do in this situation. I just wanna see how others play it, so I can start to play more 9 handed. I put the results in ghost text, so feel free to look after you post. Thanks guys.

    pokerstars Game #25884239038: Tournament #147396085, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/03/12 14:34:55 ET
    Table '147396085 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: lagade (1760 in chips)
    Seat 2: OSUBucks42 (2025 in chips)
    Seat 4: kimmagnussen (2815 in chips)
    Seat 7: YellowQ (990 in chips)
    Seat 9: shano28 (5910 in chips)
    lagade: posts small blind 75
    OSUBucks42: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to OSUBucks42 [5s Ac]
    kimmagnussen: folds
    YellowQ: folds
    shano28: folds
    lagade: raises 300 to 450
    <SPAN>OSUBucks42: raises 1575 to 2025 and is all-in
    lagade: calls 1310 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (265) returned to OSUBucks42
    *** FLOP *** [7c Jc 8d]
    *** TURN *** [7c Jc 8d] [5c]
    *** RIVER *** [7c Jc 8d 5c] [Kh]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    lagade: shows [Ad Qc] (high card Ace)
    OSUBucks42: shows [5s Ac] (a pair of Fives)
    OSUBucks42 collected 3520 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3520 | Rake 0
    Board [7c Jc 8d 5c Kh]
    Seat 1: lagade (small blind) showed [Ad Qc] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 2: OSUBucks42 (big blind) showed [5s Ac] and won (3520) with a pair of Fives
    Seat 4: kimmagnussen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: YellowQ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: shano28 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)</SPAN>
  2. cassettecounty cassettecounty is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2009 (3/12/2009 3:29pm) in reply to OSUBucks42

    When lag did have to showdown in other hands, did he seem to play fairly solid hands?

    Knowing only what you've said, I would probably fold here, because if he's making a move with any A, it is likely I'm out-kicked. I'd likely reraise with any pocket pair, and be more willing to just call with hands like 5-6, 7-8, 9-T, T-J.

    Folding>Raising>Calling
  3. OSUBucks42 OSUBucks42 is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2009 (3/12/2009 3:47pm) in reply to cassettecounty

    Lag had not showed down any hands to this point. The hands three or four hands he was in he won without showdown. I figured if he had an A i was outkicked, but I assumed he could be doing this with a hand like K10+ also, since it was blind v blind.

    I agree that calling is the worst choice to make, and you can make an arguement to ship it in and there is a good arguement to fold here as well. The thought of folding did cross my mind, however since it was a turbo I thought it was a good chance to pick up some chips. I guess when I do seem to the few turbos that I do, I seem to get in situations like this alot, and am confused about them.
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  4. cassettecounty cassettecounty is offline

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    Mar 12th, 2009 (3/12/2009 4:09pm) in reply to OSUBucks42

    It's true, he could make the same move with K-high or worse. I don't play turbos, but I understand you're looking for more spots than usual to pick up some blinds.

    But in spots like this, I think about something I heard (I think it was) Antonio Esfandiari say: "Even bad players get good hands from time to time." Not saying dude is a bad player, just that A-5 wouldn't be worth it for me to find out if this is one of those times.
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    Mar 12th, 2009 (3/12/2009 4:50pm) in reply to cassettecounty

    I understand what you are saying, and I definitly agree with it.
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  6. sotti sotti is offline

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    Mar 13th, 2009 (3/13/2009 2:35pm) in reply to OSUBucks42

    So if you use ICM it works out like this

    f = fold percentage %
    s = showdown win %

    14.743 = (19.14 * f) + (1-f)(27.609 * s)

    So if you can figure out his range that he raises, the hands he folds and the hand he calls you can "solve" wether this is a good play or this is a bad play.

    You can do a partial solve to say if he folds 50% of his hands.

    14.743 = 9.57+13.8045s

    s= 37.4% win rate at showdown.

    Folding 50% of his hands is pretty good for you, but if he calls you you probably aren't 37% to win since he's likely got a pocket pair or a better Ace. He's probably not calling with KQ and he's probably not folding 50% of the time. So I think this shove is almost deffinetly -EV.

    Although this does show how shoving with a hand like JTs or even QTs could be profitable, because you'll be dominated less often enough to hit the 40% win rate at showdown to be +EV.
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