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  1. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 1:57pm)

    pokerstars Game #10049823143: Tournament #50940880, $105+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/05/22 - 13:53:38 (ET)
    Table '50940880 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: ImDaNuts (1505 in chips)
    Seat 2: Wubanga (970 in chips)
    Seat 8: bd3109 (5845 in chips)
    Seat 9: d0r1t0s (5180 in chips)
    ImDaNuts: posts the ante 25
    Wubanga: posts the ante 25
    bd3109: posts the ante 25
    d0r1t0s: posts the ante 25
    ImDaNuts: posts small blind 100
    Wubanga: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ImDaNuts [Js Jd]
    bd3109: raises 600 to 800
    d0r1t0s: folds

    ??
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  2. SICKTIGHT311 SICKTIGHT311 is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 1:59pm) in reply to Gettin Daize

    All-in
  3. durk86 durk86 is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 2:41pm) in reply to SICKTIGHT311

    fold, WU has 700ish and will be getting a good price for almost ATC
  4. Sokpuppet7 Sokpuppet7 is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 3:20pm) in reply to durk86

    I disagree... I think there are too many people left and your stack is too small to pass up the oppurtunity... I shove.
  5. warden warden is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 3:29pm) in reply to Gettin Daize

    i get it in but idk the math

    edit: on second glance, stop n go?
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  6. frickensweet frickensweet is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 3:32pm) in reply to Gettin Daize

    I like push here.

    Since a push by you is like calling an all in if he pushed (because he is commited to call) With JJ you are going to need about 64% against his range to make this profitable.

    I doubt you pick up the short stack here with two raises in front of him.

    Since he is the big stack his range is probably fairly open. If he is raiseing any Ace, pair, k7+ and JT-QJ you are winning the hand about 67% of the time. If you tighten his range to A5-AK, any pair and KQ you still will win 64% of the time but I think his range is going to be much larger then this.

    A Stop n Go might work in this position also but you almost do not have enough ships to make him fold post flop.
  7. Matixboiy Matixboiy is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 3:36pm) in reply to frickensweet

    u push, he calls with ace rag, spikes an ace on river, gg u
  8. Sokpuppet7 Sokpuppet7 is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 3:37pm) in reply to frickensweet

    ^^^ I dont like a Stop And Go here... You want maximum equity from your hand. He's going to call for sure if u push preflop. If you stop and go, he gets away from the hand and costs you the extra chips.
  9. Sokpuppet7 Sokpuppet7 is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 3:38pm) in reply to Matixboiy

    very constructive post matix, we appreciate your contributions...
  10. warden warden is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 3:38pm) in reply to Sokpuppet7

    you dont really want a call though

    i'm really not sure; i'd probably push, but i'm just throwing the stop n go idea out there
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  11. Sokpuppet7 Sokpuppet7 is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 3:41pm) in reply to warden

    being at only 1500 chips, you dont want to get it all in as a 3 to 1 fav to double up?
  12. Jaxsonguy Jaxsonguy is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 3:42pm) in reply to Sokpuppet7

    Well.....
    you know that VVubangle is not an assclown, so he is def calling with any two.
    From here the point is, do you think you can find a better spot if he gets lucky and doubles???

    If so then it is a clear fold, if not...push em in, and you will be 3 way cause VVu is calling anyways. glglglglglglggl!
     
  13. warden warden is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 3:53pm) in reply to Sokpuppet7

    not when you can get it in as a 100% favorite to get to 2300 (since obv if they fold you get the pot)
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  14. warden warden is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 3:54pm) in reply to Jaxsonguy

    if you shove wubanga is not calling, nor should he (without a legitimately strong hand)
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  15. frickensweet frickensweet is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 3:58pm) in reply to warden

    There is no way you get a fold from the big stack here if you push. You have no FE.
  16. Matixboiy Matixboiy is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 3:58pm) in reply to warden

    what was the outcome?
  17. frickensweet frickensweet is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 4:00pm) in reply to warden

    I agree.

    Aganst the ranges that the two stacks in front of him probably have he would be needing to get 5:1 odds with any two cards to call. Which he does not have. Not saying he wouldn't call but I don't think he should.
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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 4:01pm) in reply to frickensweet

    i did not say that you did. i said if you call pre and shove the flop, you might have fold equity.

    and once again, i'm just throwing that out there as a possibility. i'm pretty sure i shove pre here
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  19. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 4:15pm) in reply to Matixboiy

    i folded and so did wubanga...i think i ended up 3rd
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  20. DCal Zone DCal Zone is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 4:22pm) in reply to Gettin Daize

    This is an easy stop n go
     
  21. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 4:25pm) in reply to frickensweet

    I think you push. The big stack who raised in front of you could have raised with any two cards. There is a good chance he has two unders (suited connecters) or one over (ace rag). I guess it all depends if you want to make the money or want to give yourself a good shot at first.
  22. inissint inissint is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 5:20pm) in reply to DCal Zone

    some weird responses...there is no WAY wubizzle calls even near any two here

    as far as the jj, depending on how raiser has played with a stack or my knowledge of him, i can see either calling, shoving, OR folding being ok in this spot...you can fold if he has been VERY tight or you know him as ultra tight, and wait out wubizzle...you can shove if he has been a lagtard with a stack, cuz you want the extra chips in with his k3 or whatever...and you can call here if he has been reasonable in his plays, and then prolly shove any flop with one or no overs

    rough thing about folding is it is not like wubizzle is THAT far from you...sure he needs one double, but if he gets it, you are now the one in tough spot...you have 4th best hand in poker...would suck for you to fold, have wu double and you bubble and wonder why the fk you folded jj...i would be even more shove inclined if by doubling you would be in second place, rather than still in third

    wu pwns btw
     
  23. Sokpuppet7 Sokpuppet7 is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 5:22pm) in reply to inissint

    ^^^ completely agree and dont know why everyone keeps saying wu will call any two... I shove here 95% of the time...
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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 6:25pm) in reply to Sokpuppet7

    i shove here unless he has been playing very tight, but 96.37% of the time i shove
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  25. Sokpuppet7 Sokpuppet7 is offline

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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 6:26pm) in reply to bdubs3737

    the extra 1.37% that bdubs shoves that I do not is what makes him a much better player than myself.
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    May 22nd, 2007 (5/22/2007 6:33pm) in reply to Gettin Daize

    AWWWWWEEEEEEEEEN
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