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SNG/Multitable SNG/MTT Bankroll Management Chart and Guide

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  1. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2010 (11/6/2010 2:54pm) in reply to x_Driven_x

    ...and here they are
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  2. sixburgh0509 sixburgh0509 is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2010 (11/30/2010 1:58am) in reply to Jennifear

    Jennifear, quick question about the 6.50 single table turbos. it says that i only need 422 to play them. I feel this is a little thin to be playing these simply because i will probably be playing 8-10 tables at a time and i feel that is alot of my br on one session. Do you agree for players who are use to playing 8-10 tables should use maybe a 80 bi or a 100 bi strategy for the turbos? also will using a bigger amount of buy ins effect the way i should be cashing out and will it effect the way ill be able to move up. thank you for your great post hope you can help me. just for clarification your saying i would need to have 422 in my BR after i reg for the last sng in a particular set? would i need 474 in order to 8 table?
    Edited By: sixburgh0509 Nov 30th, 2010 at 02:03 AM
  3. Rycky4Golf Rycky4Golf is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2010 (11/30/2010 1:16pm) in reply to sixburgh0509

    Pretty sure that would be the case, yes. If you were 8-tabling you'd need 72BIs ($768).
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    Nov 30th, 2010 (11/30/2010 9:47pm) in reply to Jennifear

     
    Originally Posted by Jennifear View Post

    I got a few PMs asking me to explain how I would apply this strategy to cash games.

    So, without further ado:

    For the bankroll management part:

    - For limit games, you need 550 big bets
    - For no-limit games, you need 45 buyins.

    For the cashout part:

    - Figure out your hourly expected rate. Important: BE VERY CONSERVATIVE!
    - For every two hours of play, remove your hourly rate from your bankroll.

    Example:

    You make $8/hr playing 2-4 NLH. You 4-table, so you expect to make $32 on average. Pay yourself $16/hr.

    for no limit games when you say you need 45 buy ins, do you mean 45 min buy ins or 45 max buy ins?
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    Nov 30th, 2010 (11/30/2010 10:37pm) in reply to dannydunks

    This seems like great advice, however $6,600 for $33 MTT's seems a little nitty if i'm not planning to cashout (trying to move up faster). Do you feel 100BI's is appropriate if there are no cashouts over say a 1 year period?
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    Nov 30th, 2010 (11/30/2010 11:14pm) in reply to Smiler90

     
    Originally Posted by Smiler90 View Post

    This seems like great advice, however $6,600 for $33 MTT's seems a little nitty if i'm not planning to cashout (trying to move up faster). Do you feel 100BI's is appropriate if there are no cashouts over say a 1 year period?

    I'm sure that can work, although you'll always have that chance of ruin, where as Jennifear suggests a larger amount as a cushion to keep that nasty monster variance from eating us up alive
  7. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Dec 2nd, 2010 (12/2/2010 1:50pm) in reply to sixburgh0509

     
    Originally Posted by sixburgh0509 View Post

    Jennifear, quick question about the 6.50 single table turbos. it says that i only need 422 to play them. I feel this is a little thin to be playing these simply because i will probably be playing 8-10 tables at a time and i feel that is alot of my br on one session. Do you agree for players who are use to playing 8-10 tables should use maybe a 80 bi or a 100 bi strategy for the turbos? also will using a bigger amount of buy ins effect the way i should be cashing out and will it effect the way ill be able to move up. thank you for your great post hope you can help me. just for clarification your saying i would need to have 422 in my BR after i reg for the last sng in a particular set? would i need 474 in order to 8 table?

    Using this system, you'll need 72 buyins to play 8 tables (to have 65BI in your account when you register for the last one), which is 474ish.

    If your 8-10 tabling severely diminishes your ROI to under 4% then I strongly suggest you use this tool to determine a proper roll instead:
    http://www.bankrolltools.com/

     
    Originally Posted by Smiler90 View Post

    This seems like great advice, however $6,600 for $33 MTT's seems a little nitty if i'm not planning to cashout (trying to move up faster). Do you feel 100BI's is appropriate if there are no cashouts over say a 1 year period?

    The 200BI does work in conjunction with this cashout strategy, so it's possible that you could use fewer buyins. Two important considerations are field size and the % of the field that gets paid. If you are playing 250-man tournaments that pay 40 people, you won't end up needing 200 if your ROI is good.

    To be more specific, try this site and enter some numbers:

    http://www.bankrolltools.com/

     
    Originally Posted by edzor View Post

    I'm sure that can work, although you'll always have that chance of ruin, where as Jennifear suggests a larger amount as a cushion to keep that nasty monster variance from eating us up alive

    This is exactly it, but also having this cushion makes the money matter less so you can focus on your decisions.
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    Jan 12th, 2011 (1/12/2011 2:41am) in reply to Jennifear

    Jen,

    How do I find my hourly win rate playing cash games? Can I use HEM for this?

    also, I play mainly on the soooooo loved UB. They charge me $8 to get a paper check and not sure how much for bank wire (does anyone know this???)
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    Jan 12th, 2011 (1/12/2011 3:30am) in reply to billyslice

    Thanks so much.
    Edited By: Joshuwgb Jan 12th, 2011 at 03:30 AM
  10. Iwantchips Iwantchips is offline

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    Jan 14th, 2011 (1/14/2011 9:40am) in reply to Joshuwgb

    What about the 4 player Hu sngs? Do you still cash out the 2% even though you are going to have a higher ROI than the 2 player HU sngs?
  11. bminty bminty is offline

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    Jan 14th, 2011 (1/14/2011 2:46pm) in reply to Iwantchips

    Cool chart, but 65buy ins seems a little low for stt. Was this when 10%+ roi was the standard win rate?

    Ok dont worry started read the thread saw the bankroll tools link
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 10:42am) in reply to Jennifear

    My Multi-table SNG's Bankroll Management(pokerstars):

    Start with $25 (No turbo's)

    Level 1
    0-$25 - play quarters(10 table slow structured)......target BR $25+$14=$39 The $14 is a 10 game shot for the $1.40 knock-out's(10 table)

    Level 2: Start $39-Move down at $25

    Goal: accumulate 100 buy-in's @ 1.40s or $140+the original $25 + $44(10 game shot at $4.40's)...so $209 is goal for Level 3

    Level 3 (4.40 180 man): Start $209-Move down at $165

    Goal accumulate 200 buy-in's here, so $25+$140+$880=$1045

    After this I suggest you start funding bigger scheduled tourney's (example-$3.30R or $5.50R) with much bigger pay outs with the profits over your initial $1045(base) and every time you reach $2000+ cash out $500
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    May 4th, 2011 (5/4/2011 12:36pm) in reply to Jennifear

    when u say you need a +Roi in the games u play is a any +Roi or over a certain sample size?
    i also got my own way 2 use brm with multi tabling
    say u got 1k roll and want to 10 table
    1000%5 = 50 50 divided by 10 5 dollars so 10 table 5 nl that how i work it out not sure for sngs what the rule of how many buy ins as it varies so much cud be 50-100
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