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  1. tsxxx04 tsxxx04 is offline

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    Dec 6th, 2008 (12/6/2008 12:49am)

    is the small blind here supposed to call ATC, or fold hoping that the other shorty busts?

    okerStars Game #22662950718: Tournament #125176760, $25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2008/12/06 0:40:55 ET
    Table '125176760 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 5: tsxxx04 (12157 in chips)
    Seat 6: nikoscatsos (554 in chips)
    Seat 9: skap73 (789 in chips)
    tsxxx04: posts the ante 50
    nikoscatsos: posts the ante 50
    skap73: posts the ante 50
    skap73: posts small blind 300
    tsxxx04: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to tsxxx04 [Td 3s]
    nikoscatsos: calls 504 and is all-in
    skap73: folds
    Uncalled bet (96) returned to tsxxx04
    *** FLOP *** [7c Ah Kc]
    *** TURN *** [7c Ah Kc] [Kd]
    *** RIVER *** [7c Ah Kc Kd] [Th]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    tsxxx04: shows [Td 3s] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
    nikoscatsos: shows [Ts As] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
    nikoscatsos collected 1458 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1458 | Rake 0
    Board [7c Ah Kc Kd Th]
    Seat 5: tsxxx04 (big blind) showed [Td 3s] and lost with two pair, Kings and Tens
    Seat 6: nikoscatsos (button) showed [Ts As] and won (1458) with two pair, Aces and Kings
    Seat 9: skap73 (small blind) folded before Flop

    i think call is best but, i'm not positive
  2. threeven threeven is offline

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    Dec 6th, 2008 (12/6/2008 12:56am) in reply to tsxxx04

    if Im the sb I think I prob call atc

    if the other shorty doubles your fked, and you have more then him so if you both lose to the big stack you get 2nd. Seems like a good spot to gamble.
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    Dec 6th, 2008 (12/6/2008 1:11am) in reply to tsxxx04

    Because he has the shorter shorty out-chipped and will take 2nd if they both lose, he should definitely call with ATC to maximize the chance that the other shorty will bust. If the shorter shorty doesn't bust on this hand, then SB is in major trouble.

    Reverse the stacks and it is a fold.

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  4. s1nnr s1nnr is online now will stab you

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    Dec 6th, 2008 (12/6/2008 1:24am) in reply to tsxxx04

    obv brag about having a massive chiplead
  5. Jennifear Jennifear is offline Moderator

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    Dec 6th, 2008 (12/6/2008 1:33am) in reply to tsxxx04

    Here's the Nash Equilibrium for this spot:

    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TH width=40>PU</TH><TH width=40>CA</TH><TH width=40>OC</TH><TH>Range</TH></TR><TR><TD>BU</TD><TD><TD><TD>1.7%, QQ+ AKs <<What button should shove</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD><TD>73.5%, 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q5o+ J2s+ J7o+ T2s+ T6o+ 92s+ 96o+ 82s+ 85o+ 73s+ 75o+ 62s+ 64o+ 52s+ 54o 42s+ 32s <<What SB should call.</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>100.0%, Any two</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    The SB needs to win this hand 21% of the time to make this call.
    If the button is shoving any wider than that, this is a call with any two.

    http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...C+AKs&e=21 <<Plug your range for the button in here, and out will pop the SB's calling range.

    In this scenario, as the BB, I would assume that the button is completely unaware that he should be so tight, and I would call with any two.
  6. BillMueller BillMueller is offline OT President

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    Dec 6th, 2008 (12/6/2008 2:33am) in reply to JGB146

     
    Originally Posted by JGB146 View Post


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