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  1. jay_shark jay_shark is offline

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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:47pm)

    You make it to the final three and the chip stacks are the following :

    The chip leader has 9370 chips , you're sitting with a stack of 3755 and the smallest stack has 375 chips . The shortest stack folds on the button and the sb continues his relentless aggression by shoving all in . Blinds are 300-600 with a $50 ante .

    You hold pocket aces . What's your play ?
  2. Crazy Cypriot Crazy Cypriot is offline

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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:48pm) in reply to jay_shark

    call and hi 5 the screen.

    obv this is not ur answer, but i dont care:) i ll never fold theRe:)
     
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:49pm) in reply to Crazy Cypriot

    I like the call as long as you give the screen a high 5, or maybe if you do a double chairspin.
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:49pm) in reply to jay_shark

    I call always, the goal is to finish 1st, not second.
     
  5. jay_shark jay_shark is offline

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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:51pm) in reply to valek

    Interesting responses . Keep em coming !!
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:53pm) in reply to valek

    KK is an obvious fold with all the math and ICM, etc.......id assume AA is close

    I could never fold it though.
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:53pm) in reply to jay_shark

    I would call all day long, i like the high five the screen thing, I might steal that...
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:53pm) in reply to jay_shark

    If you fold AA there your an idiot . 1st is the ultimate payoff ... dont settle for less or you won't be a successful poker player. Always shoot for first
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:53pm) in reply to jay_shark

    There's no other response. If you fold there, you shouldn't even bother playing SNGs.
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:53pm) in reply to jay_shark

    I'd call, in SNG's I'm playing for first. You could try and fold your way to second but why? If you were HU with the big stack you'd insta-call here so why not call when 3 handed? If you win now you're chipleader and have a good chance to win the whole thing. There is still a chance the small stack could come back, although it is not likely it is not for sure that you can coast into second place.

    ZD
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:54pm) in reply to ZuluDog

    what if you had kings , do you call there too ?
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:55pm) in reply to jay_shark

    still hi fiving the screen
     
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:55pm) in reply to jay_shark

    Yes. Playing for first and the money. Jacks is where I have to "think" about it.

    ZD
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:57pm) in reply to ZuluDog

    hmmm

    So you fold jacks and maybe call with queens up ?
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 5:59pm) in reply to jay_shark

    Yeah. I'd have to have a "feel" or an idea of the large stacks pushing range though. Not sure jacks are an insta-fold though but I'm not exactly high fiving my monitor now.
    ZD
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:00pm) in reply to jay_shark

    TT and up.
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:00pm) in reply to jay_shark

    I would call allday long and on pokerstars I would finish 3rd. :)~
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:01pm) in reply to ZuluDog

    One other thing to consider . Even if you do win , you would be close in chip position , so coming in first isn't automatic . That is , if he's just as good as you are .
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:03pm) in reply to TheZodiac

    Top 3 get paid or Top 2.
     
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:05pm) in reply to TheZodiac

    This example clearly differentiates between CEv and $Ev .

    Either decision you make isn't going to change your $Ev from its initial chip position . The decision is closer to a call if you think you can outplay your two remaining opponents .
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:09pm) in reply to WarrickDunn28

    TT and up.
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:16pm) in reply to jay_shark

    I would never fold Aces three handed...If you makes this fold then Why play poker?
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:16pm) in reply to jay_shark

    Q7+
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:17pm) in reply to jay_shark

    Ill never fold there, I wouldnt fold there if it was still 4 handed.
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:18pm) in reply to ibarrio

    This is why ICM is so counterintuitive sometimes .
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  26. A__theKevlar__2 A__theKevlar__2 is offline

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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:23pm) in reply to jay_shark

    i interpret his "relentless aggression" with him shoving any 2 cards here, and with him shoving any 2, AA is an amazingly easy call, calling ranges here are about 99+, AKs, if you ever consider folding here you are an uber donk, even on the bubble with 2 stacks that have less than 1 BB left you should still call with QQ+
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:25pm) in reply to A__theKevlar__2

    The decision is closer than you think . I'm surprised everyone thinks calling is clear cut .

    For instance , to call with pocket kings is a clear mistake .
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  28. A__theKevlar__2 A__theKevlar__2 is offline

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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:25pm) in reply to Dizzy34

    while AA is a definite call here, you don't always shoot for first in a sng, the bubble is much bigger than a mtt and it doesnt pay to do reckless things in an attempt to win.
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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:26pm) in reply to TheZodiac

    I don't know what the technically right answer is here, but with AA I'm always calling. With KK I'd think, and probably still lean towards calling. QQ I'd probably fold. JJ I think I'd insta-fold. AK would be in the muck pretty quick, too. But this also depends on the pay-out structure...which I assume is just standard here.

    I'm interested to hear the correct answer though.
  30. A__theKevlar__2 A__theKevlar__2 is offline

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    Oct 26th, 2006 (10/26/2006 6:27pm) in reply to jay_shark

    do you have any math to back this up???
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