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SNG roi question for $22-$55 players

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  1. Bruce Figaro Bruce Figaro is offline

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    Apr 5th, 2007 (4/5/2007 10:28pm)

    <TABLE id=HB_Mail_Container height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0 UNSELECTABLE="on"><TBODY><TR height="100%" width="100%" UNSELECTABLE="on"><TD id=HB_Focus_Element vAlign=top width="100%" background="" height=250 UNSELECTABLE="off">What do u guys think is a decent roi for this level of STSNGs?

    that is all</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
  2. dhubermex dhubermex is offline Senior Writer

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    Apr 5th, 2007 (4/5/2007 10:43pm) in reply to Bruce Figaro

    Depends on how many tables are being played at a time. Nowadays, $27 Turbos and up are littered with strong players. I'd say 10-tabling $60 Turbos for 6% ROI wouldn't be shabby at all.
     
  3. epicatc epicatc is offline

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    Apr 5th, 2007 (4/5/2007 11:01pm) in reply to dhubermex

    Yeah, gotta agree with dhuebrmex here...that really depends on the level, the number of tables being played at once, and whether its turbo or regular. What games are you playing?
  4. Crazyhorse76 Crazyhorse76 is offline

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    Apr 5th, 2007 (4/5/2007 11:12pm) in reply to epicatc

    Good players will make more in the regular SNG's than in turbos. At least, that is my contention. I despise the turbos, but I play em because that is where the action is. I can start up 6 turbos before one regular SNG starts. My ROI for Regular SNG's is 0ver 25%. My turbo SNG ROI is less than 10% Fuck turbos. But, what are you gonna do? I also think turbos have adversely affected my MTT game.
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  5. Bruce Figaro Bruce Figaro is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 1:36am) in reply to Bruce Figaro

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  6. epicatc epicatc is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 1:44am) in reply to Bruce Figaro

    then you're doing very, very well. the top players in the $30-40 regulars have an ROI of about 22-28%, depending on how many tables they're playing.  keep in mind roi numbers arent especially accurat e 
    until you have around 1k games at a level. Regardless, you'r e doing well, so keep it up.
  7. pokerisnice pokerisnice is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 1:52am) in reply to Bruce Figaro

    You know what I think? If you haven't realized the insignificance of ROI then you are still a poker neanderthol.

    ROI doesn't matter. What matters is $$$ per hour.

    That is why turbos rule and regular sng's suck ass.

    Anyone who disagrees is wrong.

    That is all
  8. epicatc epicatc is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 2:15am) in reply to pokerisnice

    While I'll agree with you that $/hour is equally or more important than ROI, I feel compelled to say:

    If you're going to use a word, especially in a derogatory manner, it helps to spell it right.

    See: "neanderthal"

    As far as the original topic, $/hour is not the only important metric. Neither is ROI. I like ROI, as it tells you how well you're doing at a level compared to the opposition, regardless of volume (as long as you have a sufficient sample.) This can be important to let you know when to move up or down, or just to give you an idea of what kind of edge you have at a level.
  9. 24shack24 24shack24 is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 2:17am) in reply to Bruce Figaro

    i 4 tabled at a 30% clip

    but a good one would be 15-20%
     
  10. pokerisnice pokerisnice is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 2:21am) in reply to epicatc

    You point about ROI being used to measure your edge is valid. However I believe that the vast majority of people give ROI far too much importance. ROI doesnt pay the bills. $$$ does
  11. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 2:24am) in reply to pokerisnice

    poker.. while u are usually very correct, there are people, namely players who are very close to break-even, who would be winning regular players and losing turbo players.

    If your ROI is 0-5%, regular is the way to go, as far as $/hr.
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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 2:50am) in reply to 24shack24

    I got a 25% roi in the 60 turbos. play the 2 table ones, fo sho.
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  13. 1eyed_Ace 1eyed_Ace is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 2:57am) in reply to Stuman123

    How can anyone say ROI is not important it is everything
    your roi is - you are't making dick per hour no matter how you cut it
  14. Bruce Figaro Bruce Figaro is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 4:58pm) in reply to Bruce Figaro

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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 5:22pm) in reply to Bruce Figaro

    pokerisnice i'm gonna have to disagree with u

    my opinion is that turbo's suck ass not regulars

    or maybe i just suck ass at turbos

    na, it's probably both

    but in all seriousness i am a break-even or even losing player at turbos, but winning player at regulars, people need to do what works for them
     
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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 5:52pm) in reply to Bruce Figaro

    This is the dichotomy.. Say you play $20+2 ten handed sng's. Single-tabling you achieve a 25% ROI.

    You make $5.50 per sng. Lets say each sng takes 45 minutes. You are making $7.33 per hour.

    Lets compare that to another player who 4 tables the same sng's but his ROI is 12%

    He makes $2.64 per sng. Say it takes him 10 minutes to get all 4 sngs fired up. He is making $11.58 per hour.

    Now compare that to yet another player who 8 tables the same sng's but to the tune of 8% ROI.
    He makes $1.76 per sng. Lets say it takes him 20 minutes to get all 8 fired up. He is making $13.03

    Once again.

    Player A - One-tabling 25% ROI $7.33

    Player B - 4-tabling 12% ROI $11.58

    Player C - 8-tabling 8% ROI $13.03

    Player A's ROI is more than triple Player C's, yet Player C makes almost double what Player A does.

    Which one would you rather be?

    Do you understand the dichotomy now?
  17. skillivey skillivey is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 6:23pm) in reply to pokerisnice

    very good post man it really does matter how many tables your playing for your rio to really be considered over rate per hour
  18. Bruce Figaro Bruce Figaro is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 6:41pm) in reply to Bruce Figaro

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  19. Prophite Prophite is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2007 (4/6/2007 7:24pm) in reply to Bruce Figaro

    Isn't this under FAQ on 2+2? Google... have you heard of it?
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