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  1. WarrickDunn28 WarrickDunn28 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 2:47am)

    Yes.....I the great warrickdunn needs a little advice here

    ok i have played 135 100$-110$ SNGs.........120 turbo and 15 regular

    I am all but breaking even at the moment and would like to hear some peoples thoughts and see if they can figure anything out by my results

    here is where i have finished in my 135 SNG's

    1st-26
    2nd-11
    3rd-7
    4th-11
    5th-27
    6th-16
    7th-16
    8th-14
    9th-7

    ITM 32.59%
    Win 19.26%

    does anyone know what standard finishing breakdowns look like for the top players?

    or why i always get 5th..............thanks!
  2. ActionJeff ActionJeff is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 2:48am) in reply to WarrickDunn28

    I am pretty sure that you would be way better off if you played 3 accounts in every sng. Give that a try and let us know!
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  3. Fitz420 Fitz420 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 2:50am) in reply to ActionJeff

    Warrick Dunn, Congrats on being named the most over looked player in the NFL.....
  4. WarrickDunn28 WarrickDunn28 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 2:58am) in reply to Fitz420

    can anyone analyze what my finishes in my SNGs SHOW??????????????????
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  5. luckybacon luckybacon is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 3:00am) in reply to WarrickDunn28

    Too small of a sample size to even begin!!
  6. Faaantastic Faaantastic is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 3:01am) in reply to luckybacon

    His sample of 30 where he was "killing it" a few weeks ago wasnt too small to discuss, was it?
  7. WarrickDunn28 WarrickDunn28 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 3:02am) in reply to luckybacon

    well............pretend this is over a huge sample size and my numbers show this over 1k SNGs.........now wat does it conclude?????
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  8. TheWacoKidd TheWacoKidd is offline haters gonna hate

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 3:03am) in reply to WarrickDunn28

    that you are not nearly as good as you think you are...
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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 3:04am) in reply to TheWacoKidd

    Are we talking the poker player or the football player?
  10. Faaantastic Faaantastic is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 3:11am) in reply to Fitz420

    I am liking thewacokidd more and more every day
  11. WarrickDunn28 WarrickDunn28 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 3:28am) in reply to Faaantastic

    my WIN % is high but i dont get ITM a ton...........i dont get it.
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  12. Faaantastic Faaantastic is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 3:29am) in reply to Faaantastic

    ok fine, serious answer

    playing too loose early? Your 7th and 8th places are really high. A lot of 5ths is normal, but your 6-9 finishes are a lot higher than normal.
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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 3:30am) in reply to Faaantastic

    ^ His cynical and blunt humor is catchy i must agree
  14. WarrickDunn28 WarrickDunn28 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 3:40am) in reply to Faaantastic

    ok good response, im thinking the reason for that is because its turbos i play so i find myself forced into taking a lot more coin flips earlier in a SNG than a normal SNG if that makes sense, that could be the reason.
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  15. FeloniousPunk FeloniousPunk is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 3:42am) in reply to WarrickDunn28

    obv a brag post
  16. Faaantastic Faaantastic is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 3:43am) in reply to Faaantastic

    I dont even play turbos, but isnt that something you want to avoid doing early on? According to that Jay Shark thread anyways, taking coinflips early in sngs is not optimal play.

    Have you worked on just sitting back and becoming a pushbot when blinds matter?
    Are you a pxf member? Do you watch any of the higher stakes turbo sngs?

    Idk, just maybe look at other styles in the $500 - 1k sngs and see what works best?
  17. WarrickDunn28 WarrickDunn28 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 4:04am) in reply to WarrickDunn28

    well......blinds get higher earlier remember.......so in turn it becomes an almost push fest with 6left bcuz blinds will be like 100/200 or 150/300. so i guess that answers your sitting back being a pushbot question, im pretty much forced into these coin flips 5-7 handed sometimes.........I do capitalize when i get ITM tho, i just need to get there more i guess is my problem.....
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  18. TheWacoKidd TheWacoKidd is offline haters gonna hate

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 4:09am) in reply to WarrickDunn28

    Warrick I'm a turbo sng push/fold expert, I'd offer you advice, but you are a total d-bag, sorry kid...
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  19. wuwut666 wuwut666 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 9:01am) in reply to TheWacoKidd

    too small of a sample. + 5th place is where I also finish the most often
  20. alwaysdrowning alwaysdrowning is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 9:03am) in reply to TheWacoKidd

    ^ WOW ^

    Harping on what Waco is saying, there is almost no reason you should be in 7 coinflips in an SNG. I rarely get in 7 coinflips in an MTT. This just seems ridiculous. I think your pushing too often too early, and sounds like you are calling too often late. Or something like that, IDK, just woke up, confused, etc.
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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 9:05am) in reply to WarrickDunn28

    Why don't you just keep doing what you were doing for the first 41 that you played? That way you will continue to make a ton of $$$ with a 70%+ roi, like you had before. What changed? Sounds like you adjusted your game and now it isn't as good.
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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 9:07am) in reply to WarrickDunn28

    Work on ICM.

    It looks like you are playing 350% too many hands in early levels.

    Also, you don't really think 135 is any indication do you?

    Also, no one in the world can sustain that winrate at the 100 level sngs. Expect that to go way down.
     
  23. Nickw1979 Nickw1979 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 9:34am) in reply to Faaantastic

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>His sample of 30 where he was "killing it" a few weeks ago wasnt too small to discuss, was it? </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    LOOOL
  24. VAMAN14 VAMAN14 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 9:59am) in reply to sooooted

    If you are playing optimally(if that is a word) in sit and gos you should not be busting out 44% of the time in 6th through 9th place. You are obviously playing WAY to many marginal hands early. I dont care if it is a turbo or not. And you are OBVIOUSLY getting lucky sometimes early which probably accounts for your high win percentage for 1st.
  25. Earlybird893 Earlybird893 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 10:13am) in reply to VAMAN14

    you are going for the kill 5 handed it looks like, use a tighter hand selection here, and possibly wait to loosen up til the true bubble comes, remember you cant win a sng with 4 other players left, im pretty sure im right because you have a very high win rate compared to your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place finishes
  26. RManjura RManjura is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 10:33am) in reply to Earlybird893

    You play way too loose 6 and 5 handed, instead of tightening up and waiting on your hands. You push mediocre hands far too much to sustain a respectable table image, and sometimes it works for you perfect and everyone lets you dictate the tables play, but when they dont you get fucked. Ex. Raising 120/240 to 600 on the button yesterday 5 handed with A rag suited, and getting shoved on and calling. I don't play the higher limits as you do, but i.m.o you are playing way to loose too early instead of JUST on the bubble, when your style has normally always been TAG.
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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 2:31pm) in reply to RManjura

    I just play low limits, but from my own stats....looks like you're just playing too loose too early, like mentioned above. 1st and 5th are my most frequent finish positions, with 3rds next, and then 2nds and 4ths. I don't finish 7-9 very often or even 6-9 very often. Again, I don't play high limits so the game may call for earlier play there, I don't know. Just going off personal experience.
  28. IcANTfOLDtHS IcANTfOLDtHS is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 3:41pm) in reply to WarrickDunn28

    For best results, a Player should have 20 or more games played to get an idea
    of their skill level. If so, here is how we suggest you analyze the data:
    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 align=center border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#222222><TD>Players Win Percentage 40% or higher</TD><TD>Player is a Pro</TD></TR><TR><TD>Players Win Percentage 35 to 40%</TD><TD>Player is Very Good</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#222222><TD>Players Win Percentage 30 to 35%</TD><TD>Player is Slightly Above Average</TD></TR><TR><TD>Players Win Percentage 25 to 30%</TD><TD>Player is Slightly Below Average</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#222222><TD>Players Win Percentage 20 to 25%</TD><TD>Player is Below Average</TD></TR><TR><TD>Players Win Percentage 10 to 20%</TD><TD>Player is Way Below Average</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#222222><TD>Players Win Percentage 0 to 10%</TD><TD>Player is a Fish</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> To qualify for a win, a Player must finish in the money, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd.

    An ITM of 32% represent's that your a shitty player who was on a heater last week and now is coming back down.
  29. WarrickDunn28 WarrickDunn28 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 4:27pm) in reply to Earlybird893

    Yea, I think 5 handed when blinds get big i try to take over, and most of the time it backfires on me. Ill be playing more today and hope to update my progress.
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  30. Faaantastic Faaantastic is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 4:53pm) in reply to IcANTfOLDtHS

    um ITM stats are basically worthless
    It's all about ROI...
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