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  1. So anyway, im sure a bunch of you remember that post i made maybe a week ago about quitting bc of the horrid beats i was taking. Well, i got my bankroll back up to around $220 or so from playing $15 turbos and doing decently, and then i accidentally wiped out my SNG tracking database, losing all my results.

    I decided to start fresh playing only the $15+$1 turbos on pokerstars, and I feel like vomiting again. Ive played 4, and cashed in one (2nd place) for a ROI of -37%. Here is how i busted out of each:

    Tournament 2:
    6 handed, 3rd or so in chips, when i wake up w/ KK on the button. Limped to me, so i make it 5x bb, and chip leader comes over the top all in. I dont figure him for AA, and figure if he DOES have AA, thats just fine and I'll hand over my chips. I call, and he shows 99. Im feeling pretty good about taking a big lead when the 9 hits the river. Nice limp/raise w/ 99 all in, sir.

    Tournament 3:
    3rd or 4th hand of the game, i get 22. One player min raises and there are 4 callers before me, so i take a shot. Flop comes down 2-4-7. I check raise the original raiser, and there is another caller, all esle fold. Turn is an offsuit 6. Original raiser leads out, I push all in, other guy calls.
    Original raiser has 55, other guy has TT. River: 5. He then tells me that he risked his entire tournament life on his 55 because he "had a pocket pair on the flop" and "the turn gave me 10 outs." Ten? No, 6. Either way, you're an idiot. Good call, sir.

    Tournament 4:
    6 handed, 3rd in chips again, AK on the button. UTG who has chip lead and has been overplaying most of his hands makes it 4x bb. I immediately come over the top, expecting a fold. He calls immediately nad shows KQ. I feel great until the flop comes 2-K-Q. GG me. Nice call sir. KQ is huge.

    I dont mean to cry about how bad these beats were, its just the fact that they were all in succession. I know its "variance" and that i want these calls, but my bankroll is slim (now $175 or so) and i refuse to play the $6 turbos. Maybe I'll step down to the $10 regulars.

    I honestly dont know what to say as this (combined w/ the run of 1 in 13 cashes in the $6's earlier) is the most hideous run ive ever endured. I dont understand it. I have a sweet ROI of -37%, and my BR is dwindling. Id love a little luck. Not even luck, i'd love the best hand to win.
    Thanks for reading this, im sure its annoying,
    Mikey.
  2. Everyone gets beats like this on a daily basis. I took much worst beats at higher buy in MTT's last night. Get used to it or stop playing poker.
  3. AGREED.
  4. thought you were quitting ? Man , what a quitter !!!
  5. Get away from these turbo tourneys. People are much more willing to take chances in them... you have to just to get by. I don't think any of the situations you described were necessarily all that bad either, it's just the nature of turbo tournaments. You had the best of it each time... but its really hard for me to say that any of these moves or calls against you look as bad to a 3rd party (myself) as you want to believe.

    If you can't handle the variance of beats like this... I'm sorry to say but your'e playing out of your league. If it didn't really affect you in some way.. I don't think you'd post about such trivial situations, everyone that plays poker goes through this. I recently had close to a 6 week streak where it seemed I couldn't win a coinflip.. or even win when I was way ahead. I felt like giving up too, but I couldn't because I love the game too much. Figure out what you can do for yourself to improve... nobody plays this game perfectly.

    You need to play at a level where If you endure a string of bad cards/bad luck/bad plays/etc/etc/etc... you can just laugh it all off to variance. If the amount of $$ you're winning(losing) affects you that much, you're clearly playing outside of your limitations.. which brings a whole other plethora of issues into the mix.

    Heres another idea.. just take a good, extended break.. maybe several days?
  6. Nobody likes a quitter! Now get ur ass in gear and start rollin!
  7. Not sure what you expect playing a turbo, that's the way they work. Actually, you do mean to cry or you wouldn't have posted. There's a forum for people who can't handle bad beats go post in that one. Worst run? You haven't played much poker if this is the worst string of beats you've suffered.
  8. In tournament #3, you say:

    and "the turn gave me 10 outs." Ten? No, 6.

    It did give him 10 --- 4 3s, 2 5s, 4 8s'. Why do you say "No, 6"?

    This is not to refute your point, but I don't understand why you said that.
  9. the 6.50 turbos are full of donkeys, id suggest playing the 10 dollar regulars, they too are full of bad players, but at least the blinds dont tear you apart :P
  10. dont take this the wrong way...but maybe your just not as good as you think??? Yes, the examples that you gave are tough beats, but it happens. I would go back and truly evaluate your play in your other non cashes or the plays that led up to you getting your money all in. Did you make mistakes that cost you? Did you miss chances to accumate chips? Did you lose chips on a bad play on your part that forced you to make a desperate move, leading you to bust? As I said, bad beats happen to everyone, but the good players make up for them by cashing in sitngos, when average players bust out. What I mean by the last statement, is when short stacked not just pushing all in, but being patient and getting back into it, knowing how to play a short stack.
  11. Play some cash games ya donk! You obviousy cant handle the SNG scene.
  12. You beat me to this, he was open ended with 3rd pair. And you had bottom set. There are some hands that beat you here. but with 3 people in the hand I push very hard after the flop to avoid someone drawing out on you. You mention you check raised on the flop but didnt mention how much you raised. If you check min-raised, then shame on you. Most players dont hesitate to call Min-raise/3x raise with any kind of draw. "Pot Odds!!!"

    Perhaps the problem is not that you are just getting unlucky, but that you are allowing other people to get lucky against you.

    When you make an ALL-IN with AK to a 4x reraise, sure you can say you read him right, but you left it up to fate. If he had QQ would you blame him for a bad call? You are beat pre-flop...but then again you probly wouldnt mention the times you lost all ins with AK to QQ. However in this case you were ahead pre flop, good for you, that doesnt mean anything except that you made a good read.

    The other thing is that you ARE playing 5$ SNG's are you expecting people to lay these hands down? How good do you think they really are?
  13. If your roll is at approx. $175, and you're bothered by the losses, then drop down a level. You say you refuse to play the $6 turbos, so that means you'll have enough for 15-16 buy-ins if you play the $10's. That's kind of low, but it would take a bad run to wipe 16 buy-ins from a winning SnG player. But of course, as you know, bad runs happen. And 16 (and 20 or even 30+) buy-in downswings are quite common for ANY SnG player, even if he/she OWNS whatever level SnG's he/she is playing.

    I'm not precisely familiar with your situation, so I'll refrain from being too personal. I'm just saying that in general it looks like you could benefit a little from moving down a level in buy-ins. And by the way, I had 0/16 ITM streaks TWICE in one month (September of this year) and still wound up making money somehow, so all is not lost.

    Best of luck,

    dhubermex
     
  14. Thx mex...youre still one of my fav posters, the reply means a lot.
    To everyone else..a few things, firstly, maybe i posted it wrong, but w/ the 55 hand vs my set, the turn gave him a gutshot, not an open ender. Thats why i wrote "six outs."

    As far as complaining goes, ya i guess i am, im sorry, i guess i should have posted. Some of you were pretty hard on me and i suppose thats what i deserve for posting something annoying lol, but i needed to get it out.

    Im considering dropping down to the $10 regs for a while, i think thats ar eally good idea. Overall i do consider myself to be a winning sng player, and have the #'s (albeit a small sample size) to prove it. Cash games scare me, so that idea is out for now.

    Anyway, thanks for the replies, even the negative ones. Ill see you guys at the tables im sure,
    Mikey.
    Thread Starter
  15. Hey bro I didn't mean to be negative but you need to learn how to take those bad beats. When bad beats start to bother me then I drop down in limits. It seems that If I am comfortable in the limits that I am playing and I have a sufficient bankroll I play so much better. When you worry about bad beats you don't play your best. Gl to you.
  16. Don't quit unless you have no confidence in yourself. Here's a live beat in the WPT foxwoods 500 limit event. Two other players in the hand. I flop broadway. They both hold AQ. fire off bets until capped on both flop and turn. On the turn I was 95% to win he hand. Well.....the last A falls on river. Both get a boat, and I'm crippled early. Finished 38th....

    It's part of poker. Ups and downs. If you can't handle it, you should quit. If you can, you will get to be a better player.
  17. WHen i say "thats it, im quitting poker", i dont mean it. I guess i should have clarified that. My love for the game and desire to improve is far too great to give up. I was 9 year old kid who would hunt down puzzles and brain teasers to destroy. The intellectual and competitive aspect of it drives me.

    Generally when i post something like this its just because im upset, and at absolute most, I'll end up taking a week or two off to clear my head.

    Thanks again for the responses, but dont worry, I wont be going anywhere ;-).
    Thread Starter
  18. If the flop was 2 4 7.... and he was holding 55 and the turn was a 6.. he is open ended after the turn......sounds like 10 outs to the river....
  19. Mikey - keep your chin up bro..

    Remember, you cannot be knocked out if you've got everyone covered ;)

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