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  1. and i am starting to question if i want to be a grinder and grind out that living.. i love this game with all my heart but i also know i will never get these years back...but i also look back and i think i would take the same path i took to get to where i am at right now..maybe lost my dream girl and a few friends along the way.... i have also missed out on alot of family times and i love watching my nieces and nephs grow up... i guess what im tryin to say is how do you find a good median in grinding online mtts.. i know you guys will say play cash or sngs but heart is with mtts and sngs are jus miserable.. i also know my most success comes when im consumed and jus grinding my life away on the virtual felt.. maybe im feeling this bc there are alot of changes goin on in my life.. maybe once a grinder always a grinder..
     
  2. You gotta make time for the family stuff, tweak your schedule to accommodate them. Give up a little bit of your mtt sched to gain seeing nieces and nephews and the rest of your family. I know you have to be disciplined with poker but it is also a job that gives you flexibility so take advantage of that. At 25 def consider if there is something else you might want to do instead of this, and if there isn't anything you would rather do then keep on doing it.

    I think it is a fucking grind tho for most, and unless you are ballin out of control winning major million dollar tournaments your not gonna wanna do it forever. Obviously we all will play poker forever, but having to grind out a living online when you are 40 seems depressing, unless you are killing it obv. So basically I think if you are printing paper it will feel rewarding but if you are just grinding hard at 40 I'd prob feel disappointed. I think you gotta just work hard and invest wisely, in a business, real estate, or whatever to have something else going on.
    Edited By: bukowski101 Mar 30th, 2011 at 10:38 PM
     
  3. Initially I was simply going to tell the OP that this is the wrong forum for this thread. But I will let a mod make that decision and I will answer the question.

    I don't think poker is wise career move if you have an alternative career path that you can choose where you would make as much money and enjoy yourself as much. The lack of benefits, difficulty building a resume, the variance, and the uncertainty of US law gives poker significant disadvantages over more conventional careers. You should only pursue poker if you (1) can make much more playing poker than your other reasonable career options, or (2) you still have a passion for poker, you love getting up every day and grinding, and you will make enough to survive. Otherwise, what's the point?

    I am also 25 years old and I graduate from law school in May. I am going to attempt playing full-time for the first time. I am doing this because I enjoy the poker grind more than the law grind. But more importantly, I think I have the potential to make much more money playing poker. I hope to have substantial savings by age 30 so I can explore other business opportunities. If it doesn't work out, oh well, I will draw up a Plan B.

    If you are unhappy with having poker as a career, you need to figure out if poker is making you unhappy, or you have personal problems that no job change will cure. I am guessing in your case, OP, the latter is true, since you reference non-poker things in your post such as "losing your dream girl." I would work on that stuff first, then figure out what job gives you the best chance to be able to afford Johnny Walker Blue as your drink of choice.
    Edited By: Pghfan987 Mar 30th, 2011 at 11:08 PM
  4. Ya bukowski's post is all pretty good....
    The other thing you need to consider is its not like if you weren't grinding tourns you'd have all the freedom in the world. You would be in some other type of standard job that is considerably more mundane, boring and repetitive.
    Its a pretty good way to make a good living , imo.
    Balance is huge as well. If you're grinding 12 hours a day 6 days a week I think you're doing it wrong. Tweak your schedule to play 4 days a week, one of the nights just the nightlys instead of all day. You'll have lots of time for friends and family and still enough volume to make good money and stay fresh with your game.

    PGH' post is good too
     
  5. Thread is fine here. We can offer high stakes advice even if it's not hand advice. Some of us have been through this and feel this way, some people have dealt with it already and others are just realizing it. Let's just be a helpful community and not say anything stupid.
    Edited By: Cre8ive Mar 31st, 2011 at 01:08 AM
  6. i got married after the wsop last year and its been a lot different grinding now. i just really try to balance everything. some days where i would play a full lineup are no half days to spend time with the wife or do things around the home. its also a good thing to step away from poker and recharge and i found the best way is to just spend my time with my wife and family, just keeps you sane to go for at least a few hours without hearing a bad beat or final table story. ive also began to do things more when i have my time to myself like if i have an hour or 2 before i go to bed and im the only one up ill review my shit when normally id do it during the day.

    poker is just like any job but a helluva lot more time consuming so its all about balance. maybe time away refreshes you, as it did for me when i took nearly 2 months off. all you can really do is make you and the ones around you happy, everything else is just numbers
     
  7. cool t. Very intersting for me to see how you guys handle it as well... Im playing full-time for 2 years now, will get my 27 soon, sigh!, and in general im pretty happy about my choice. Poker gave me so much it just transformed my entire life in good but also "bad" ways like supreamdream described.... It feels like its more than a game its an entire lifestyle and I pretty much nevr get enough of it so far... Maybe it will change one day, i mean we are in our 20s for the most we are young! For me the decision was simple: there is just nothing for me at the moment which even closely can compete with my poker interests, i mean career wise... (i did university as well studying politics but i guess i favor my own intereste more now...) I wish i had a back up plan tho... Im thinking about another choice alot as well but then the next series/sunday comes... Alos i hvae to admit that balance is tough for me to find, working on it and my gf is great help...
    just my 2 cents, gl at the tables guys and in life
    Edited By: flashdisastr Mar 31st, 2011 at 03:37 AM
  8. Some great posts in this thread.

    I don't have much to add other than I think its normal for anyone who's grind more than a couple years. I too have had trouble staying motivated, and question what the hell I'm doing. All I can say is, if you were in another profession you'd probably be questioning the same things. In the end its all about what makes you and those around you happiest. Add up the pros and cons and go from there. I know poker has given me many opportunities, and in the end I'm very thankful that I can play a game for a living. Try to workout, take some vacations, and surround yourself with people outside the game. That way you can stay healthy, and somewhat refreshed.

    I've been researching/thinking of ways to invest for the future. Ideally, in the next couple years, I'll have something in place that will make enough passive income to take care of basic needs and play poker 2-3 days a week to supplement that income. By setting these goals it helps keep me motivated to get up and grind.

    Props to every grinder out there. As they say, "poker's a hard way to make an easy living". There's a lot of truth to that.
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    Originally Posted by Cre8ive View Post

    Thread is fine here. We can offer high stakes advice even if it's not hand advice. Some of us have been through this and feel this way, some people have dealt with it already and others are just realizing it. Let's just be a helpful community and not say anything stupid.


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  10. I would think if you love the game but are unhappy then it is something unrelated to poker. Personal problems or something to do with balancing life and poker. I put up a thread about reducing stress in poker about 6 months ago, because poker was just getting to the point where I didn't even want to sit down and start a session anymore. Most of the replies weren't helpful but there were maybe 2 or 3 who suggested seeing a psychiatrist/psychologist because it seemed like my problems were unrelated to poker. After seeing a psychologist for 5 months, I can definitely say they were right. I can't say that it was all underlying issues, because the tourney grind is something I grew to hate relying on to make a living, but I'd say the vast majority of why I was unhappy was due to unresolved issues from my past.

    I haven't completely resolved these issues yet, but I feel like I'm definitely on the right path, and without seeing that psychologist I don't know how many years it would have been before I figured it out. I would suggest seeing one to figure out why exactly you feel the way you do and you will in turn learn how to fix that. BOL Supream
     
  11. Poker grind > law grind. Seriously. I know. Full array:

    Poker career (sponsored, live tours, etc) > cool real job > poker grind > almost any law job.
     
  12. Yea ... and I feel really bad for my classmates in this economy. Perhaps some of them are just being modest about their job prospects because they don't want to offend those who can't find a job, but it feels like <40% of my classmates have a job lined up, and of course a fair amount of those employed will be making ~40 K a year doing government work, while having to pay back substantial student loans.
  13. Supreeeeam.... I haven't read any of the previous responses but its all about the balance. Go out on weekends, set a schedule for when you're going to grind and make time for family as well. Take days off and if you meet the right girl make sure to balance your poker life with your relationship. If you love the game, dont quit playing, and if you get burnt out just take breaks or find something else on the side to keep you busy. Keep killin it at the tables bud...
     
  14. thanks for all the responses... alot of good points that i pretty much knew.. so i guess its good to remind myself of a certain things this game can cause and do for you... one of my big fears is falling behind in this silly game bc it does evolve over time.. but i think im finally ready to become a member of society again and make the kind of living i want from poker.. i know i am really lucky to pay a game for a living.. i am going to try to not be so consumed and play 4-5 days a week like a normal job.. i really do love this game and the competition it brings.. you jus have to ride the poker progression.. thanks again for all the posts and im sure i will see you guys at the virtual felts...
     
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  15. Poker is really tough to find a balance in because you get addicted to the money, and you start seeing everything in terms of how much you could be making. If you have plans to see a movie at 7, you have to stop registering at 1 and you'll be out til 11, so in those 10 hours you could have made 1k in equity, so in your mind it's costing you 1k to go see a movie. This is obv flawed thinking and leads to burnout, which is ironic because in trying to play more you end up playing less (long term). My philosophy is, I'd rather play 5 hours a day for 10 years then play 15 hours a day for 2 years.
    I'd suggest setting a schedule for yourself and sticking to it, and if it's not ideal, change it around for awhile until you find something that works for you where you can have a nice balance. With MTTs it's a little tough as you can't really end at a set time, but you can plan it out reasonably well. The key is sticking to your plan, so you have that clean delineation of "poker time" and "real life time". Even if you don't have any plans outside of the house, even if you're just watching tv, or even just checking email having that break where you don't have to worry about poker or money or ev or any of that bullshit is nice and imo sets you up nicely to have a long career.
     
  16. hey supream and all -
    I TOTALLY FEEL U MAN - feel like im going thru lots of similar feelings and stuff.....
    yeah i mean i think a lot of it comes down to balance and prioritizing things
    grinding a ton online can be a very lonely and introspective activity so u just gotta figure out what matters to u and makes u happy and keep those two in check
    i enjoy the game and i enjoy playing and i enjoy making money, it makes the time pass by, but i also feel like ive sacrificed a lot in terms of social life, doing things out in real world, friends, etc
    so its tough and can kinda haunt u/get at u - just gotta make sure to pursue other things and have strong connections and support to keep u sane and give u something to look forward to
    just try to clearly keep in mind ur goals and what u wanna get out of it, etc
    ive given serious thoughts to quitting or cutting down and doing something else as well but we'll see - i think a lot of that feeling can be indeed caused by non-poker related problems, personal issues, etc
    i used to play HS SNG and at least i could play shorter sessions and have more free times on a day, but the decision to play MTTs can def be long hrs and grinding, so just gotta not play too much and occupy ur life with other things that r important to u long term and satisfy u inside....
    GL with this, hope it helps, im trying to do much the same right now
    BEING 24 IN THIS STAGE OF LIFE CAN BE WEIRD DIFFICULT TIMES, LOT HITTING U ALL AT ONCE!!
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