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  1. timzc1 timzc1 is offline

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    Jul 2nd, 2009 (7/2/2009 5:20pm)

    Check out this HH. Keep in mind (for those who do not play 3 rebuy) it's not uncommon!

    ave chip stack is say 30K; we are 1200 left of say 6000 people.

    pokerstars Game #30027743844: Tournament #175253004, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (400/800) - 2009/07/02 17:10:59 ET
    Table '175253004 518' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: elliass2 (67840 in chips) had seemed OK so far, aggro but not loose.
    Seat 2: tamura11 (28009 in chips)
    Seat 3: Timzc1 (14130 in chips)
    Seat 4: OURIEL7777 (19872 in chips)
    Seat 5: peddro (47485 in chips)
    Seat 6: WoopShoopi (83509 in chips) had played passive and quite loose esp pre flop; post flop he had at least say bottom pair to call bets (call action even!)
    Seat 7: Jkthone (43721 in chips)
    Seat 8: VillainV (18570 in chips)
    Seat 9: dddoume (5275 in chips)
    elliass2: posts the ante 100
    tamura11: posts the ante 100
    Timzc1: posts the ante 100
    OURIEL7777: posts the ante 100
    peddro: posts the ante 100
    WoopShoopi: posts the ante 100
    Jkthone: posts the ante 100
    VillainV: posts the ante 100
    dddoume: posts the ante 100
    VillainV: posts small blind 400
    dddoume: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Timzc1 [Qc 2s]
    elliass2: calls 800
    tamura11: folds
    Timzc1: folds
    OURIEL7777: folds
    peddro: folds
    WoopShoopi: raises 2400 to 3200
    Jkthone: folds
    VillainV: folds
    dddoume: folds
    elliass2: raises 12800 to 16000
    WoopShoopi: calls 12800
    *** FLOP *** [4h 5c 2d]
    elliass2: bets 18400
    WoopShoopi said, "u r so aggressive.. cant put u on a hand"
    WoopShoopi: calls 18400
    *** TURN *** [4h 5c 2d] [9h]
    elliass2 said, "sorry"
    elliass2: bets 33340 and is all-in
    WoopShoopi: calls 33340
    *** RIVER *** [4h 5c 2d 9h] [Qs]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    elliass2: shows [8c 8d] (a pair of Eights)
    WoopShoopi: shows [5s Ks] (a pair of Fives)
    elliass2 collected 137580 from pot
    WoopShoopi said, "nh"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 137580 | Rake 0
    Board [4h 5c 2d 9h Qs]
    Seat 1: elliass2 showed [8c 8d] and won (137580) with a pair of Eights
    Seat 2: tamura11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Timzc1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: OURIEL7777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: peddro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: WoopShoopi showed [5s Ks] and lost with a pair of Fives
    Seat 7: Jkthone (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: VillainV (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: dddoume (big blind) folded before Flop

    For discussion: how best to capitalize on such hilariously bad, reasonably deep stacked, post flop play?

    aside from the obv: bet your big hands hard, etc.,...

    specifics! let's discuss!

    --timzc1

    PS my cards are irrelevant, not my focus, just them and their decisions, pre and post flop for the both of them
  2. DutchCourage DutchCourage is offline

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    Jul 3rd, 2009 (7/3/2009 4:28am) in reply to timzc1

    OK, I do have some thoughts on that:

    -Value bet strong hands - but slowplay monsters. At this level nobody picks up the difference and your slowplay will generally be perceived as weakness.
    -Hardly ever (or maybe never?) bluff - as in your example, there's a lot of "i don't believe you" play, and you end up losing to a counterbluff (but holding a better hand).
    -Play lots of suited connectors, small pps etc. Excellent in situations like holding T9s and flop comes J87 or all suited with a high card. You will often pick up their entire stack as they push all-in with top pair, weak kicker.

    Generally I'd say playing ABC-poker should get rewarded....
  3. timzc1 timzc1 is offline

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    Jul 3rd, 2009 (7/3/2009 2:08pm) in reply to DutchCourage

    I agree about ABC poker early on...

    Sure, sometimes throw out say a cont. bet, but the only times I think more elaborate bluffs are worthwhile is a bit later on in the MTT. Why later? For at leats three reasons: the people left alive later in a MTT wil tend to be 1) better players, and better players CAN be bluffed; and 2) tighter players, and tighter players can be bluffed; and 3) nervous players who "just want to cash", people will see that you have exactly the nec cards to beat them.

    Mind you, as a big stack the other day I donked off a top 50 stack with air, firing three bullets at 2/3 pot bet on flop and turn and then 1/2 pot on river, and he called me down with a 3rd underpair to the board (and he then had a top ten stack with 140 to go of 6000 people.) So, obv even late in these mtts bluffing is a huge risk, probably one bets to be avoided more times than not.

    I swear, given that board that opp, I play an overpair identically, given that the draws did not materialize.

    When will I learn?! lol

    --timzc1
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