hand 1: fold pre <strike>as played flat if it wasnt your fd id prolly raise</strike> thought you flopped gin lol. shove
hand2: w your reads prolly a puke fold aswell

Hand in one: This is a typical example of why people say fold preflop. But, now you got a gutshot to a Jack (and no one likely having AQ). You have a pair (though, hitting a Queen gives a jack a straight, so you don't have a 2 pair draw that's good), and 2nd nut flush. If you limped this hand, you now need to put in a strong reraise. Have to give yourself 12 outs here, so you should be ready to go all in.

Hand 2. With your reads, pretty easy fold. You don't love it, but hard to beat 2 people unless both have AK (or some other the same hand). So, you have the stack, fold and wait for a better spot.

 

Originally Posted by 13Jayhawk13

Hand #1: Fold Pre, but as played 3bet for value postflop.

Hand #2: Easy fold.

This is spot on.

Hand 1: FOLD PREFLOP. You are OOP w/ Q-10 suited and just hoping to smash a flop. As played, 3 bet the flop as you are most likely looking at any 10, J, or diamond making you the winner here. If you get jammed on, you have to call with your gutty and flush draw.

Hand 2: When you get re-raised all-in, the range may be wide, but the cold call behind that is 100% a hand you don't want to screw with. I'd say the initial stuffer is on 77+, AJo+, while the caller is on QQ+, AK.

 

Originally Posted by 13Jayhawk13

Hand #1: Fold Pre, but as played 3bet <strike>for value</strike> postflop. Edit: Sorry, I misread the board as J9K, and I'm really torn between a flat and a raise on this board. Neither choice is terrible, but I kind of think it'll be terrible to have to fold to a 4bet, but you are probably drawing dead when you are 4bet, so just fold. When you raise, you risk being 4bet off the hand (good thing is you can be pretty sure you are beat or even dead) and when you flat, you are probably going to lose a much bigger pot when the str8 or flush hits in the instances that you are beat. I think to avoid huge losses, a 3bet is probably the best line.

Hand #2: Easy fold.

Okay, I'm starting to second guess the suggestion to 3bet/fold. I think you are gonna be drawing thin or dead when they shove, but you are probably pot committed upon further analysis of stack sizes. This just highlights why you need to fold this hand preflop with the early limp, cutoff bet and button call.

 

Originally Posted by 13Jayhawk13

Hand #1: but I kind of think it'll be terrible to have to fold to a 4bet, but you are probably drawing dead when you are 4bet, so just fold.

first of all check stack sizes and hand and board and everything 4bet shoving would be absolutely horrendous and hero is far from drawing dead if 4bet and will most likely have 12 outs at worst like 9 and maybe up to 15

 

Originally Posted by lordxixor101

Hand in one: This is a typical example of why people say fold preflop. But, now you got a gutshot to a Jack (and no one likely having AQ). You have a pair (though, hitting a Queen gives a jack a straight, so you don't have a 2 pair draw that's good), and 2nd nut flush. If you limped this hand, you now need to put in a strong reraise. Have to give yourself 12 outs here, so you should be ready to go all in.

Hand 2. With your reads, pretty easy fold. You don't love it, but hard to beat 2 people unless both have AK (or some other the same hand). So, you have the stack, fold and wait for a better spot.

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ding ding ding

ok....again thanks for the replies.....

Hand#1

pokerstars Game #37066769660: Tournament #241010922, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2009/12/22 21:43:05 ET
Table '241010922 198' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: jamz12345 (37300 in chips)
Seat 2: 3CAR (22069 in chips)
Seat 3: frozenhead (15050 in chips)
Seat 4: apophis_2008 (38900 in chips)
Seat 5: casperwell (9055 in chips)
Seat 6: buckie69 (17158 in chips)
Seat 7: Thebigdog17 (10100 in chips)
Seat 8: iganatz (21876 in chips)
Seat 9: davemfdooley (21585 in chips)
jamz12345: posts the ante 50
3CAR: posts the ante 50
frozenhead: posts the ante 50
apophis_2008: posts the ante 50
casperwell: posts the ante 50
buckie69: posts the ante 50
Thebigdog17: posts the ante 50
iganatz: posts the ante 50
davemfdooley: posts the ante 50
3CAR: posts small blind 200
frozenhead: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 3CAR [Qd Td]
apophis_2008: calls 400
casperwell: folds
buckie69: folds
Thebigdog17: folds
iganatz: folds
davemfdooley: raises 1200 to 1600
jamz12345: calls 1600
3CAR: calls 1400
frozenhead: folds
apophis_2008: calls 1200
*** FLOP *** [Th 9d Kd]
3CAR: checks
apophis_2008: checks
davemfdooley: bets 4000
jamz12345: calls 4000
3CAR: folds
apophis_2008: folds
*** TURN *** [Th 9d Kd] [2d]
davemfdooley: bets 15935 and is all-in
jamz12345: calls 15935
*** RIVER *** [Th 9d Kd 2d] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
davemfdooley: shows [Ad Qs] (high card Ace)
jamz12345: shows [Kc 9c] (two pair, Kings and Nines)
jamz12345 collected 47120 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 47120 | Rake 0
Board [Th 9d Kd 2d 3h]
Seat 1: jamz12345 (button) showed [Kc 9c] and won (47120) with two pair, Kings and Nines
Seat 2: 3CAR (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: frozenhead (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: apophis_2008 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: casperwell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: buckie69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Thebigdog17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: iganatz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: davemfdooley showed [Ad Qs] and lost with high card Ace

I know I butchered this hand horribly.........as I said earlier, the flat call by jamz had me worried. thats what threw me off the hand.....believe me i said "why the fuck didn't I fold this pre" before making my TERRIBLE fold.......

Hand #2

*********** # 220 **************
PokerStars Game #37070410812: Tournament #241010922, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (3000/6000) - 2009/12/22 23:48:31 ET
Table '241010922 270' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: davidhebb (162079 in chips)
Seat 2: Pill699 (174611 in chips)
Seat 3: Waveland3 (169873 in chips)
Seat 4: kevlarlitus (69269 in chips)
Seat 5: Open Book (272755 in chips)
Seat 6: KAPR!Z (88964 in chips)
Seat 7: tony6733 (66309 in chips)
Seat 8: 3CAR (136435 in chips)
Seat 9: 10philim (354166 in chips)
davidhebb: posts the ante 600
Pill699: posts the ante 600
Waveland3: posts the ante 600
kevlarlitus: posts the ante 600
Open Book: posts the ante 600
KAPR!Z: posts the ante 600
tony6733: posts the ante 600
3CAR: posts the ante 600
10philim: posts the ante 600
kevlarlitus: posts small blind 3000
Open Book: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 3CAR [9c 9d]
KAPR!Z: folds
tony6733: folds
3CAR: raises 9999 to 15999
10philim: folds
davidhebb: folds
Pill699: folds
Waveland3: raises 153274 to 169273 and is all-in
kevlarlitus: calls 65669 and is all-in
Open Book: folds
3CAR: folds
Uncalled bet (100604) returned to Waveland3
*** FLOP *** [Qh 2s Th]
*** TURN *** [Qh 2s Th] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [Qh 2s Th 6d] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kevlarlitus: shows [Kd Ac] (high card Ace)
Waveland3: shows [Kc As] (high card Ace)
kevlarlitus collected 82369 from pot
Waveland3 collected 82368 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 164737 |

Figured I was right to fold this......I try not to be results oriented but I guess i was in thinking about this one...........

thanks again and good luck at the tables......

 

Originally Posted by 13Jayhawk13

Okay, I'm starting to second guess the suggestion to 3bet/fold. I think you are gonna be drawing thin or dead when they shove, but you are probably pot committed upon further analysis of stack sizes. This just highlights why you need to fold this hand preflop with the early limp, cutoff bet and button call.

Hand #1: Agree with jay here. As played though I am shoving there probably 90% of the time because I am pot committed when I raise and folding now seems way to weak. I am aggressive to a vice though so take my advice lightly.

Hand #2: Even I could fold that so that is saying a lot because I don't fold much, lol. So if I it is a snap fold to me I am pretty sure folding is correct.