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Speculative hand IMO.. how incorrect am I?

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  1. ragbag ragbag is offline

    Westerville, OH
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    Mar 20th, 2008 (3/20/2008 1:28pm)

    Ok.,,. here is the situation.. deep in a 2 re.. 2 tables left..ITM.. I have a very good read on the raiser.. who has been a card rack all the sudden ..they just got HOT and were picking up Aces back to back then kings a couple hands later then Jacks and then 10s.. now Im not thinking this person auto has a hand now but they were also on my table for a very long time and this is not someone who has bluffed or attempted to steal.. everything they showed down was a real hand (they were even showing their hands that didnt get called) I was told that this was 100% a HAVE to call in my situation with only 4 BBs left.. but Imo calling is not always the correct thing to do. .now if I was able to be first in and shove.. yea.. Im in there.. but to call here ?? I was ripped on the rail for a long time after this hand so I am anxious to hear some feedback on this one..

    Table: 4 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
    Seat 1 - EIVIS ($52560 in chips)
    Seat 2 - KLEENO ($90707.50 in chips)
    Seat 3 - 411HOMEPLANS ($40290 in chips)
    Seat 4 - RAGBAG ($16287.50 in chips)
    Seat 5 - NIKFAR ($47010 in chips)
    Seat 6 - LUCKEY60 ($32832.50 in chips)
    Seat 7 - NICKB2876 ($42685 in chips)
    Seat 8 - DOCTORTOOTH ($59380 in chips)
    Seat 9 - JPPOKER55 ($18460 in chips)
    EIVIS - Ante $200
    KLEENO - Ante $200
    411HOMEPLANS - Ante $200
    RAGBAG - Ante $200
    NIKFAR - Ante $200
    LUCKEY60 - Ante $200
    NICKB2876 - Ante $200
    DOCTORTOOTH - Ante $200
    JPPOKER55 - Ante $200
    LUCKEY60 - Posts small blind $2000
    NICKB2876 - Posts big blind $4000
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to RAGBAG [Qd Jd]
    DOCTORTOOTH - Folds
    JPPOKER55 - Folds
    EIVIS - Raises $16000 to $16000
    KLEENO - Folds
    411HOMEPLANS - Folds
    RAGBAG - ????????????????????????????
  2. the_snail03 the_snail03 is offline

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    Mar 20th, 2008 (3/20/2008 1:31pm) in reply to ragbag

    yes this is an all in
     
  3. protegeofmal protegeofmal is offline

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    Mar 20th, 2008 (3/20/2008 1:36pm) in reply to ragbag

    i wouldnt wait till i had 4 BBs left....but if you do i guess you wanna try to be the first person into the flop...so i guess fold
     
  4. AMelione AMelione is offline

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    Mar 20th, 2008 (3/20/2008 1:37pm) in reply to ragbag

    instasupersnap call
  5. AMelione AMelione is offline

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    Mar 20th, 2008 (3/20/2008 1:37pm) in reply to protegeofmal

    ^^^^he has an M of 2 he has to get it in
  6. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Mar 20th, 2008 (3/20/2008 1:41pm) in reply to ragbag

    how did he raises 16000 to 16000? but ya call
     
  7. OSUBucks42 OSUBucks42 is offline

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    Mar 20th, 2008 (3/20/2008 1:43pm) in reply to okse54

    thats how AP hand histories look. its stupid
  8. TheFirm53 TheFirm53 is offline

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    Mar 20th, 2008 (3/20/2008 1:59pm) in reply to OSUBucks42

    I can't see why you would of been ripped on by the rail. QJ suited with your M, seems like a great play to gambool, of course you are behind but prob not by much.
  9. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    Mar 20th, 2008 (3/20/2008 2:35pm) in reply to TheFirm53

    why are you playing on AP?
  10. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Mar 20th, 2008 (3/20/2008 11:16pm) in reply to ragbag

    Good call. Your pot odds are good, and you are putting $12200 at risk for a chance to win $21800, nearly 2-1, plus regain some fold equity which is always a plus. Your hand has to be ahead about 33-37% of the time to make this call, and it is. Well played!
  11. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Mar 20th, 2008 (3/20/2008 11:23pm) in reply to ragbag

    Call and fold flop bet. That would be awesome.
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