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  1. SonOfTone SonOfTone is offline

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    May 18th, 2009 (5/18/2009 4:01pm)

    pokerstars Game #28346175641: Tournament #163921042, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/05/18 15:57:03 ET
    Table '163921042 30' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: BigTrav007 (6835 in chips)
    Seat 2: MarMars13 (4027 in chips)
    Seat 3: kdog625 (4830 in chips)
    Seat 4: Pocket55ives (21720 in chips)
    Seat 5: MARS114 (20306 in chips)
    Seat 6: pino1234 (8255 in chips)
    Seat 7: korjae (11360 in chips)
    Seat 8: souli3 (10886 in chips)
    Seat 9: nice_steady (17670 in chips)
    BigTrav007: posts the ante 25
    MarMars13: posts the ante 25
    kdog625: posts the ante 25
    Pocket55ives: posts the ante 25
    MARS114: posts the ante 25
    pino1234: posts the ante 25
    korjae: posts the ante 25
    souli3: posts the ante 25
    nice_steady: posts the ante 25
    korjae: posts small blind 125
    souli3: posts big blind 250
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Pocket55ives [9h 9s]
    nice_steady: folds
    BigTrav007: calls 250
    MarMars13: raises 3752 to 4002 and is all-in
    kdog625: folds
    Pocket55ives: ??

    moved to table 1 orbit ago so dont kno how he lost his stack..

    only info is he is a winning player
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  2. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    May 18th, 2009 (5/18/2009 4:07pm) in reply to SonOfTone

    lets say he has a range of 77+ AJ+ KQs stove it and see what happens. its probably a fold and the limper probaly has little. TT+ AK i think is what ur looking to call w/. is that an accurate range he is shoving?
  3. mully_85 mully_85 is offline

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    May 18th, 2009 (5/18/2009 4:30pm) in reply to SonOfTone

    hmmmmmmmm fold like a lil girl i think.
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  4. L1verpoolFC L1verpoolFC is offline

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    May 18th, 2009 (5/18/2009 5:49pm) in reply to mully_85

    snap
  5. JLucky34 JLucky34 is offline

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    May 18th, 2009 (5/18/2009 6:35pm) in reply to mully_85

     
    Originally Posted by mully_85 View Post

    hmmmmmmmm fold like a lil girl i think.

    absolutely not this. as long as you don't have a read that the limper is limping with something huge, this is a call everyday.
  6. elusively elusively is offline

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    May 18th, 2009 (5/18/2009 6:36pm) in reply to L1verpoolFC

    call
  7. Charlamaigne Charlamaigne is offline

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    May 18th, 2009 (5/18/2009 7:27pm) in reply to elusively

    isolate and flip a coin..imo
  8. ronkend ronkend is offline

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    May 18th, 2009 (5/18/2009 7:30pm) in reply to Charlamaigne

    snap insta rejam
  9. nyy486 nyy486 is offline

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    May 18th, 2009 (5/18/2009 8:12pm) in reply to ronkend

     
    Originally Posted by ronkend View Post

    snap insta rejam

     
  10. Spaceh0g Spaceh0g is offline

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    May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 9:33am) in reply to nyy486

     
    Originally Posted by nyy486 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by ronkend View Post

    snap insta rejam

    this seems unnecessary with big stacks left to act, I call though
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    May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 10:15am) in reply to Spaceh0g

    Risking 1/5th your stack in this situation seems very marginal. Especially since you do not have more info on the shover. I say wait for a better spot or until you get more info.
  12. Bruno_Baller Bruno_Baller is offline

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    May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 10:28am) in reply to rhap

    i'd say his range is something like 66+ KQ and A10s+ which we are flipping with, given the limper, antes, etc. pretty standard call, idk why we are re shipping here, theres one big stack behind us who basically has us covered and the rest of the stacks are basically playing for half their stacks if we just call anyways so there's no point to iso since we are snap calling those stacks anyways and flatting/reshipping makes pretty much no difference to them and we can snap fold if the 20k stack wakes up.
  13. SonOfTone SonOfTone is offline

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    May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 11:14am) in reply to rhap

     
    Originally Posted by rhap View Post

    Risking 1/5th your stack in this situation seems very marginal. Especially since you do not have more info on the shover. I say wait for a better spot or until you get more info.

    these were my initial thoughts and why i posted
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  14. Charlamaigne Charlamaigne is offline

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    May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 12:52pm) in reply to SonOfTone

     
    Originally Posted by SonOfTone View Post

     
    Originally Posted by rhap View Post

    Risking 1/5th your stack in this situation seems very marginal. Especially since you do not have more info on the shover. I say wait for a better spot or until you get more info.

    these were my initial thoughts and why i posted

    The guy only has 16BBs so you are ahead of his range for sure. The fact that it is only 1/5th of your stack should make you want to shove. Was it a coinflip?
  15. rhap rhap is offline

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    May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 1:26pm) in reply to Charlamaigne

     
    Originally Posted by Charlamaigne View Post

     
    Originally Posted by SonOfTone View Post

     
    Originally Posted by rhap View Post

    Risking 1/5th your stack in this situation seems very marginal. Especially since you do not have more info on the shover. I say wait for a better spot or until you get more info.

    these were my initial thoughts and why i posted

    The guy only has 16BBs so you are ahead of his range for sure. The fact that it is only 1/5th of your stack should make you want to shove. Was it a coinflip?

    If I was in the small or big blind, I would lean towards a call. There is still 4 people to act behind which is what I find marginal about it. If you call, you are pretty much priced in to most of those player's reshoves and I do not believe this is a good iso spot.
  16. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 4:05pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

     
    Originally Posted by poisoneye1986 View Post

    lets say he has a range of 77+ AJ+ KQs stove it and see what happens. its probably a fold and the limper probaly has little. TT+ AK i think is what ur looking to call w/. is that an accurate range he is shoving?

    I'd range him wider than this due to his stack size. 44/55+, A9s/ATo, KJs+. I think you'd see ppl jam even wider. Some ppl can't fold QJs or any pp here.

    Ur crushing his range, thats not the problem imo. I'm more concerned about the awkwardness of stack sizes ad the fact that there are four ppl remaining to act. Flatting seems to present the opportunity for another flat caller whch you obv don't want with a hand like 99, although it could represent extreme strength as I might flat with AA/KK some % of the time.

    Edit: I prolly just flat and pray that the guy to ur immediate left doesn't shove, then you'd have to make a decision. But if one of the otherthree stacks shove you can call and even if you don't hold ur not crippled. Also, flatting could cause one of them to spaz out with 77/88.
  17. RahgStan RahgStan is offline

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    May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 4:39pm) in reply to SonOfTone

    I think more dependent on his play, is his and your read on the blinds. He is short yes, but you say he is a good player.With 850 in the pot he increases his stack by a decent amount if everyone folds to his shove.If he feels the blinds won't call his shove, he might be shoving here with maaaaaaybe 18% of his hands just a rough estimation.Also depends on how often he has been shoving. Is he shoving pretty much every hand because he is so short? Or is he waiting for a decent hand and trying to get dead money? Also where are you in regards to the payout? Is the bubble or a prize jump around the corner, if so would he play differently?

    Lets just say for our sake that his shoving range is 18% or roughly 66+,A5s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+

    388,693,008 games 0.047 secs 8,270,064,000 games/sec

    Board:
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 53.525% 53.05% 00.47% 206210820 1835253.00 { 9h9s }

    Hand 1: 46.475% 46.00% 00.47% 178811682 1835253.00 { 66+, A5s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+ }

    Against that range you are a slight favorite. However say he is playing fairly solid hand range.For instance, 77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+

    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

    268,831,728 games 0.005 secs 53,766,345,600 games/sec

    Board:
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 49.727% 49.20% 00.52% 132274478 1407745.00 { 9h9s }

    Hand 1: 50.273% 49.75% 00.52% 133741760 1407745.00 { 77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }

    In both spots, you are around a coinflip.Of course, you have a better idea than we would about reads and hand range adjust ments.

    I think more often than not, you are going to be a slight favorite or slight dog.Only options are reshove and fold.I think its close enough that a reshove and vomit when his hand hits is the correct play.

    The only hand range that 99 is not better than a coinflip is a top 10% hand.However based on his stack, and the blinds hes more than likely playing looser than that.
  18. intrepid007 intrepid007 is offline

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    May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 4:49pm) in reply to RahgStan

    I agree that you are crushing his range...but the problem you have poor position...fold and wait for a better place....I agree...from the blinds...shove....

    and btw...he may not have lost his stack....not everyone gets a big stack in these...he may have been grinding from the get go
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    May 19th, 2009 (5/19/2009 5:16pm) in reply to intrepid007

    do. not. fold.
  20. darkhawk-200 darkhawk-200 is offline

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    May 20th, 2009 (5/20/2009 3:34am) in reply to rhap

    probably fold since there's people behind you, and you're not ahead of much.

    Also take out aa, kk, qq's from his range plz when u do pokerstove calculations.

    88's 10's jj's ak aq are a huge part of his range.
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