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  1. Willrr Willrr is offline

    Riverside, CT
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    Nov 5th, 2008 (11/5/2008 3:45pm)

    Villain seems like a complete idiot to me, so I'm not sure exactly what to make of his range when he pulls this move... What would you do if you had no specific reads but generally found the player to be substandard?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #8826454940: $22,500 Guarantee (67370965), Table 38 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:39:57 ET - 2008/11/05
    Seat 1: The_Dean221 (6,175)
    Seat 2: lisa3847 (3,125)
    Seat 3: BlindjesDief (2,275)
    Seat 4: McMagnus (3,905)
    Seat 6: EatAceSinSpaces (3,325)
    Seat 7: mahden (7,015)
    Seat 8: Rubludar (5,400)
    McMagnus posts the small blind of 25
    EatAceSinSpaces posts the big blind of 50
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Rubludar [Js Jc]
    nittale sits down
    nittale adds 5,193
    mahden calls 50
    Rubludar raises to 200
    The_Dean221 folds
    lisa3847 has 15 seconds left to act
    lisa3847 calls 200
    BlindjesDief folds
    McMagnus folds
    EatAceSinSpaces has 15 seconds left to act
    EatAceSinSpaces calls 150
    mahden raises to 1,025
    Rubludar has 15 seconds left to act
     
  2. cuseman78 cuseman78 is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2008 (11/5/2008 4:00pm) in reply to Willrr

    insta re shove if you think he is an absolute donk obv...if he has qq or better ul...but I insta re ship all day to iso the donk. People do love to limp AA utg then re raise a raise but if hes as bad as u think...he prob has sumthin like a pair 88 or less or like kq off or something
     
  3. Willrr Willrr is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2008 (11/5/2008 4:03pm) in reply to cuseman78

    wouldn't you think that his being an absolute donk would make it more likely that he has a HUGE hand because he isn't thinking about what his line looks like?

    I might be off here, just wondering what other people range him on.
     
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  4. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2008 (11/6/2008 8:11pm) in reply to Willrr

    'JJ' is in a terrible place here. He either has 'AA' or 'KK' and is uzing the limp raise line to get some pay-off. Tricky play, maybe because he doen't like post flop play.

    You didn't say what made you think he was a donkey? Has he shown some hopeless bluffs? All that being taken into consideration, donks do pick up hands some of the time.

    This could be 'AKs' as well trying to take it down without a flop.

    You're usually way behind or slightly ahead here.
  5. sct123 sct123 is offline

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    Nov 7th, 2008 (11/7/2008 2:18pm) in reply to Willrr

    This is a preflop spot. You can assign villian a range, pokerstove equity calculations/f/e/profit ect... I think his limp/raise line puts his range somewhere around TT+, AQ+. Its obv going to be close. If this guy is a donk I would be inclined to fold here. He is most likely trying to extrapulate chips from you preflop since he realizes thats his best chance since his postflop skills aren't very good. Some people might think laying down JJ in a 6max game in this spot might be -EV or exploitable. I don't to be honest. Imo, you might be giving up alot of EV here by folding but I don't think this is exploitable. You can weigh out the pros and cons of folding but I think mucking it is the best play. In the longrun your going to be able to avoid these spots, and acccumulate chips in better situations. If you feel you have an edge/can outplay ppl at a 6handed table, pitch it and move on.

    -Sct
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