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Spot ITM of $33 mini last night, advise appreciated.

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  1. 8888kush 8888kush is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2011 (3/14/2011 6:44pm)

    Ok I have been at this table maybe 20-25 hands. Only 2 hands I have played is I flatted KQs in bb to CO min raise when sb flatted also, then c/s KQ5 flop with no showdown. Then I flatted 66 in bb to open and c/r on A8x flop, guy called then checked down to rvr when he missed a flush draw.

    The guy that 5x raises this hands, I have not seen play one pot besides his sb flat in the KQ hand. I am sitting ~40bb deep and this is the hand directly after the 66 hand where I took down a nice size pot.

    What is my best play here? Do I flat OOP and see a flop and proceed? Do I make it 35-40k then call a shove? make a 3bet then fold QQ? Pile? fold? What do you think and why? Thank you. Will post results later.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #29005931414: MiniFTOPS Event #24 (213069025), Table 191 - 1400/2800 Ante 350 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:15:36 ET - 2011/03/13
    Seat 1: The Shy (105,612)
    Seat 2: OMGPudding (39,351)
    Seat 3: NDIrish13 (65,091)
    Seat 4: Tossthechalk (133,666)
    Seat 5: catch_n_rele (113,349)
    Seat 6: 8888KUSH (123,703)
    Seat 7: kidd42 (43,944)
    Seat 8: apestyles (31,374)
    Seat 9: NYSmoothy (16,224)
    The Shy antes 350
    OMGPudding antes 350
    NDIrish13 antes 350
    Tossthechalk antes 350
    catch_n_rele antes 350
    8888KUSH antes 350
    kidd42 antes 350
    apestyles antes 350
    NYSmoothy antes 350
    8888KUSH posts the small blind of 1,400
    kidd42 posts the big blind of 2,800
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to 8888KUSH [Qh Qc]
    apestyles folds
    NYSmoothy folds
    The Shy calls 2,800
    OMGPudding folds
    NDIrish13 folds
    Tossthechalk folds
    catch_n_rele raises to 15,750
    8888KUSH has 15 seconds left to act
    8888KUSH has requested TIME.............
  2. jtj03 jtj03 is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2011 (3/14/2011 6:50pm) in reply to 8888kush

    this deep in this tourney id prob flat???? I mean Idk if thats terrible but I really like my edge in this tourney.
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  3. L2K4FC L2K4FC is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2011 (3/14/2011 7:17pm) in reply to jtj03

    Use your timebank and look him up real quick on OPR or whatever site you use. How do you think he is seeing you right now? His range at this point could be anything but it smells like mid pocket or AK etc. Folding isn't an option. Question is if you make a play at it now what is he going to do? My guess is that he'll snap it in. So I think you see a flop and go from there. Then again I'm a total nit so you might want to wait for some more replys lol.
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    Mar 14th, 2011 (3/14/2011 7:30pm) in reply to L2K4FC

    if he actually has AA/KK with this sizing, i'd be fairly surprised...I think ur best play here is to 3b to around 42-45k/call a shove. Shoving isn't terrible, but if his initial raise size is so spazzy, i'm guessing he will flat ur 3b with weaker holdings a fair amount of the time, so I think 3b/call is best
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    Mar 14th, 2011 (3/14/2011 7:32pm) in reply to jtj03

     
    Originally Posted by jtj03 View Post

    this deep in this tourney id prob flat???? I mean Idk if thats terrible but I really like my edge in this tourney.

    Not this.

    You can make it something like 37k and call a jam or just ship it right now. I prefer jamming
     
  6. jtj03 jtj03 is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2011 (3/14/2011 8:06pm) in reply to weeminer

    so QQ isnt strong enough to flat here or just isnt optimal, not a fan of these spots so would like to also hear?

     
    Originally Posted by weeminer View Post

    Not this.

    You can make it something like 37k and call a jam or just ship it right now. I prefer jamming

    ya bc he will def call with worse.....
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    Mar 14th, 2011 (3/14/2011 9:09pm) in reply to jtj03

    Thanks for the replies so far. I did OPR him when I timebanked and he only has 300ish games played at a 26 abi and is not a winner over that sample(sorry I didnt put that in OP). Any more thoughts then I will post my action/results.
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    Mar 14th, 2011 (3/14/2011 9:18pm) in reply to 8888kush

    I hate a flat since it may also give the limper odds to call. I don't want to play QQ OOP in a 3-way pot.

    Given the huge preflop raise, I would almost min-3bet to 30-35k with the intent of jamming a raise/calling a shove.
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  9. weeminer weeminer is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2011 (3/14/2011 10:51pm) in reply to jtj03

     
    Originally Posted by jtj03 View Post

    so QQ isnt strong enough to flat here or just isnt optimal, not a fan of these spots so would like to also hear?

    ya bc he will def call with worse.....

    Doubt he folds 1010 JJ AK... You can't flat because you could be playing 2 players oop and what are you gonna do if an ace or king flops?

    OP, only two options, either raise to 37-40k/call shove or just shove. Whichever of those two options he will more likely spaz out on/give you less credit for is the one you should do.
    Edited By: weeminer Mar 14th, 2011 at 10:52 PM
     
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    Mar 14th, 2011 (3/14/2011 10:51pm) in reply to tyson219

    ughhh these spots are are so puke. I know his sizing doesn't look like its AA or KK but it is AA a high % of the time. So sick.... I know i'd recommend to fold when i read the HH but in real game time im jamming pretty much always :(
     
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    Mar 15th, 2011 (3/15/2011 12:02am) in reply to 88XIN88

     
    Originally Posted by 88XIN88 View Post

    ughhh these spots are are so puke. I know his sizing doesn't look like its AA or KK but it is AA a high % of the time. So sick.... I know i'd recommend to fold when i read the HH but in real game time im jamming pretty much always :(

    Never folding. I'd go with what TheDean and Weeminer said.
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    Mar 15th, 2011 (3/15/2011 1:34am) in reply to TheBulldog3

    OOP I jam it in there turn off my monitor and hope he doesn't have AA/KK, win a flip with AK or bad beat me.

    In position I re-pop it to about 45k and insta call shove and hate my life.

    Tough spot.
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    Mar 15th, 2011 (3/15/2011 5:49am) in reply to hostile

    I'm jamming here too, def not flat calling, I'd do that with kings or aces maybe but not queens
     
  14. 8888kush 8888kush is offline

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    Mar 15th, 2011 (3/15/2011 7:04am) in reply to aniceboy

    Ok thanks for all the replies and reasoning. I though I did what was right but this hand just stung me for a while and thought about it going to sleep last night.

    Guess Ill just chalk this one up to the coolers. GL at the tables everyone.

    atch_n_rele raises to 15,750
    8888KUSH has 15 seconds left to act
    8888KUSH has requested TIME
    8888KUSH raises to 123,353, and is all in
    kidd42 folds
    The Shy folds
    catch_n_rele calls 97,249, and is all in
    8888KUSH shows [Qh Qc]
    catch_n_rele shows [As Ad]
    Uncalled bet of 10,354 returned to 8888KUSH
    *** FLOP *** [Ac Qd Js]
    *** TURN *** [Ac Qd Js] [3s]
    *** RIVER *** [Ac Qd Js 3s] [5h]
    8888KUSH shows three of a kind, Queens
    catch_n_rele shows three of a kind, Aces
    catch_n_rele wins the pot (234,748) with three of a kind, Ace
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  15. L2K4FC L2K4FC is offline

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    Mar 15th, 2011 (3/15/2011 7:56am) in reply to 8888kush

    You were never getting away from this hand however you played it. Just UL. I'm still in favor of seeing the flop though no matter how bad it might sound to some.
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    Mar 15th, 2011 (3/15/2011 8:02am) in reply to L2K4FC

    Yah I mean it sucks you ran into aces but the guy is a losing player with a 26 avg buy in and you have qq. Like the previous posters said only options are 3b/call or shove. I like 3b call better bc he may flat some hands he'd fold to a shove. Folding is atrocious and flatting sucks also
     
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    Mar 15th, 2011 (3/15/2011 6:50pm) in reply to pikappraider78

    ul kush sucks gg
    but the fact that flatting as an option here is mentioned in this thread is so sweet for the state of online poker
     
  18. deadeyehank deadeyehank is offline

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    Mar 15th, 2011 (3/15/2011 6:59pm) in reply to chaz78

    I Probly just jam. Reckon he will call lighter that way. If you make it 40 and he ships he's prebly AK/ jj at the worst.
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    Mar 15th, 2011 (3/15/2011 7:23pm) in reply to deadeyehank

    I'd make it 40k/call. Not a big fan of flatting. He'll flat your 3 bet enough and fold the flop or get it in with worse to make 3 bet/call > jamming. I think I'd just fold if I had jacks in this spot. I do agree that its usually not aces for him in this spot with this sizing but it is Kings more than people think. As played kind of crappy spot due to the sizing but I'd deffinitly 3 bet/call qq+ and ak. GG UL if you got coolered
    Edited By: The Lab Rat Mar 15th, 2011 at 07:24 PM
    Reason: welp gg Ul just saw the results
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    Mar 15th, 2011 (3/15/2011 9:12pm) in reply to weeminer

     
    Originally Posted by weeminer View Post

    Not this.

    You can make it something like 37k and call a jam or just ship it right now. I prefer jamming

    this,
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