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  1. Drewace34 Drewace34 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2009 (11/3/2009 3:56am) in reply to Cre8ive

    r u 4 bettin ever to an amnt whereur foldin to da prof if he 5 bets behind and callin only deebs AI? i think thats insanely spew with ur entire rage which is y i agree with creative here dave ur entire range u should b shovin and by entire range i cant see it bein nethin less than QQ...although sick spot for deeb to squeeze in so prob include JJ AKss also...i hate complex hands pre antes (ranges r supposed to b lot smaller but with u hst regs ur metagame who te fuk knows where u guys r at nemore)..
     
  2. rock3656 rock3656 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2009 (11/3/2009 5:13am) in reply to Drewace34

    why dont you guys like cold 4 bet bluff here or something? Dave do you realize the damage you could do to people if you ever went to 2345 here with air?
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  3. tbt4653 tbt4653 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2009 (11/3/2009 7:59am) in reply to rock3656

    I doubt I'd even look at my cards before shoving here.
     
  4. the_dean22 the_dean22 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2009 (11/3/2009 9:05am) in reply to rock3656

     
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post

    why dont you guys like cold 4 bet bluff here or something? Dave do you realize the damage you could do to people if you ever went to 2345 here with air?

    i think id like that way more if deeb had a few more chips...in this case, even with a small 4b, looks like u are going to be priced into calling deeb no?
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    Nov 3rd, 2009 (11/3/2009 10:36am) in reply to doubledave22

    reraise tt + , kq sooted ,aq,ak ......be ware if he has kq here cause he thinks its AA
     
  6. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2009 (11/3/2009 10:48am) in reply to rock3656

     
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post

    why dont you guys like cold 4 bet bluff here or something? Dave do you realize the damage you could do to people if you ever went to 2345 here with air?

    thats what im sayinnnn. like dave HAS to have the tits to be cold 4betting here right? so he can do it real wide.
     
  7. MondayWins MondayWins is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2009 (11/3/2009 11:29am) in reply to doubledave22

    If you don't shove, aren't they only coming back over the top of you with hands like QQ+?
    So what's the point in only raising if you are priced in and only going to get shoved on by a bigger hand?
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    Nov 3rd, 2009 (11/3/2009 12:13pm) in reply to doubledave22

    TT+ AQs+, i might be worried a small portion of the time about da professionals flat, but 4250 is the 4bet size
     
  9. gutshtallin gutshtallin is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2009 (11/3/2009 12:28pm) in reply to the_dean22

     
    Originally Posted by the_dean22 View Post


    i think id like that way more if deeb had a few more chips...in this case, even with a small 4b, looks like u are going to be priced into calling deeb no?

    I like your thinking here Rock, but with Deebs stack size, i just dont see him hero folding much preflop. And 4bet folding would be atrocious.
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  10. marroca5 marroca5 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2009 (11/3/2009 12:39pm) in reply to dcoop45

    such a brag post for having a bigger stack than gboro and deeb.....

    I do agree that you could be bluffing profitably in these spots more often if u have such a tight image. However, I do like more a very small 4-bet when u have JJ and QQ since I think that da is folding the same range when either you 4-bet small or shove, but he is shoving when he has KK and AA and you can easily fold. Thats the "good" thing about having a tight image, that your decisions can be easier in several spots. If you started to 4-bet bluff more in these spots, people would start to adjust, you would lose some equity in these bluffs, gain some equity when you have monsters, and it will all come down to how well you could adjust to peoples adjustments of your image.

    Will prolly elaborate more on the hand later though.
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  11. rock3656 rock3656 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2009 (11/3/2009 2:09pm) in reply to marroca5

    OOOOOPS I thought that deeb had 8k def prob theoretically bad to 4 bet fold to deebs stack. However, given that deeb knows this, and knows that dave is a tight player his continuing range to 2345 will probably be so significantly tight that it could very well be profitable to still 4 bet any two cards and fold to a jam with daves image. Sure its theoretically bad, but so is 3 ball folding 27bb stacks :-).
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  12. mordan mordan is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2009 (11/3/2009 2:19pm) in reply to tbt4653

     
    Originally Posted by tbt4653 View Post

    I doubt I'd even look at my cards before shoving here.

    I like this line of thought....this is also why Deeb gets so much action that others don't...it is well documented what he is capable of which makes spots like these either real profitable for him, or real profitable for the person on his right who is capable of identifying the spot.
     
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