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  1. XCappucinoX1 XCappucinoX1 is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:30pm)

    pokerstars Game #34044856688: Tournament #203040703, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2009/10/14 20:19:17 ET
    Table '203040703 27' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: XCappucinoX1 (36700 in chips)
    Seat 2: Pwnasaurus (57602 in chips)
    Seat 3: TheChosenWun (8527 in chips)
    Seat 5: Droofer (20155 in chips)
    Seat 6: matej (30298 in chips)
    Seat 7: bigblinger (27789 in chips)
    Seat 8: lukaluka05 (24363 in chips)
    Seat 9: loosenovice (14579 in chips)
    XCappucinoX1: posts the ante 75
    Pwnasaurus: posts the ante 75
    TheChosenWun: posts the ante 75
    Droofer: posts the ante 75
    matej: posts the ante 75
    bigblinger: posts the ante 75
    lukaluka05: posts the ante 75
    loosenovice: posts the ante 75
    TheChosenWun: posts small blind 400
    Droofer: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to XCappucinoX1 [Tc Td]
    matej: raises 1600 to 2400
    bigblinger: folds
    lukaluka05: folds
    loosenovice: folds
    XCappucinoX1: calls 2400
    Pwnasaurus: calls 2400
    TheChosenWun: folds
    Droofer: folds
    *** FLOP *** [9c 5s 2s]
    matej: checks
    XCappucinoX1: bets 4225
    Pwnasaurus: raises 5375 to 9600
    matej: folds
    XCappucinoX1: folds
    Uncalled bet (5375) returned to Pwnasaurus
    Pwnasaurus collected 17450 from pot
    Pwnasaurus: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 17450 | Rake 0
    Board [9c 5s 2s]
    Seat 1: XCappucinoX1 folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: Pwnasaurus (button) collected (17450)
    Seat 3: TheChosenWun (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: Droofer (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: matej folded on the Flop
    Seat 7: bigblinger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: lukaluka05 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: loosenovice folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    against a random id prob get it in here without much thought but this spot really just didnt seem right. I have a strong feeling he flatted AA or maybe KK here pre. I cant find anything that I can really beat besides AsQs.
     
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:48pm) in reply to XCappucinoX1

    Yea i cant imagine a good player trying a bluff here, your range easily has lots of sets, overpairs and big flush draws. Basically you are flipping vs his draws and crushed by his sets and overpairs. If he is sick enough to raise here knowing you will fold overpairs then you gotta let him have it.
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 11:00pm) in reply to XCappucinoX1

    Why are we leading the flop?
     
  4. gutshtallin gutshtallin is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 11:00pm) in reply to XCappucinoX1

    I like a fold here. You literally beat like AQss and maybe 78ss. Pretty rough spot tho, as I would more easily put him on 99 55 or 22 than AA or KK. I think squeezing with AA or KK is perfect here preflop. Either way tho..you beat nothing really and a fold is def right decision.
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 11:49pm) in reply to XCappucinoX1

    i did not read the reponses but I would like to say that pwnasaurus is a really good player who i respect who's avatar i know

    hahaaha that's how u know if you know someone, you can see their avatar when u see the name
     
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 11:53pm) in reply to gutshtallin

     
    Originally Posted by gutshtallin View Post

    I like a fold here. You literally beat like AQss and maybe 78ss. Pretty rough spot tho, as I would more easily put him on 99 55 or 22 than AA or KK. I think squeezing with AA or KK is perfect here preflop. Either way tho..you beat nothing really and a fold is def right decision.

    ^^^^
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 1:12am) in reply to XCappucinoX1

    You pretty much pinned it yourself here, this is a spot where his range is highly unbalanced to nut hands, big draws, and maybe the occasional bluff hand depending on his postflop aggression. 99% of players never show up with anything bad here, and even if they are able to put some bluffs in there range its mostly still a fold.
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 2:55am) in reply to 3kingme3

    I'd guess he never has AA or KK here as the opener is early pos which usually weights their range stronger and him raising would look bluffy like a squeeze likely getting the utg player or yourself all in pre. He small raise size is giving room for you to raise. I'd guess he has set or huge draw either way with how deep your are fold is prudent.
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 3:02am) in reply to JasonGray

    The beauty of that board is that he can basically raise any 2 and you are folding so many hands that I bet you his bluff frequency is higher than you guys think.
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 3:07am) in reply to Leet8s

     
    Originally Posted by Leet8s View Post

    The beauty of that board is that he can basically raise any 2 and you are folding so many hands that I bet you his bluff frequency is higher than you guys think.

    i was thinking that too
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 3:14am) in reply to Zota15

    i dont thin k he would flat aa or kk here.... i think his raising range is mostly sets or hands like aq or ajs. good fold imo. i like the flat pre too
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 3:40am) in reply to XCappucinoX1

    I'm def shoving here. When original raiser checks and you bet your range is pretty wide. Pwnasaurus is good, aggro, and capable and all that beats you is 99/55/22. I don't think he flats AA/KK as often as you think and wouldn't raise JJ here imo. He may not even raise sets here all that often since there's not many hands you continue with. He can also have a ton of draws, with the 9 not being a spade that fits many 9xss, plus other flush or combo draws.
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 3:55am) in reply to gutshtallin

     
    Originally Posted by gutshtallin View Post

    I like a fold here. You literally beat like AQss and maybe 78ss. Pretty rough spot tho, as I would more easily put him on 99 55 or 22 than AA or KK. I think squeezing with AA or KK is perfect here preflop. Either way tho..you beat nothing really and a fold is def right decision.

    Yea, i must have thought we werent as deep as we actually were here, i don't think he flats AA and KK very often here now that i look at it
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 4:39am) in reply to XCappucinoX1

    I doubt Mario expects you to be folding overpairs very often, and that's most of your range, and you could also easily have AJss etc which also aren't folding, so I really doubt he's bluffing here very often. I could def see people leveling themselves into stacking off here, but it seems like a trivial fold to me.
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 5:26am) in reply to DFish

    i like fold, but just for the record.....there are a TON of monster draws in his range

    34s
    64s
    67s
    68s
    69s
    78s
    79s
    89s
    9Ts
    J9s
    Q9s
    K9s
    A3s
    A4s
    ATs
    AJs
    AQs

    you are beat by........

    22
    55
    99
    JJ
    KK/AA (unlikely imo)

    obviously some of the drawing hands are unlikely, but i don't think you can rule any of them out. he has a lot of chips, he's on the button, there is already 7k in the pot, and since there is a 30bb stack 3x'ing utg, there is the potential to win a huge pot if he flops good.

    so is it a fold? am i way off in ranging him? i kind of agree with whoever said it that he's probably flatting a set on this board

    i like fold LOL

    EDIT: I <STRIKE>like</STRIKE> dislike fold. The "we beat" list goes from the tip of my index finger to my 2nd knuckle. The "we are beat by" list stops at the first knuckle.
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 5:25pm) in reply to BLUEberLEEZ

    BUMP

    I'm not familiar with Pwnasaurus, but how unreasonable is this range?
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 5:28pm) in reply to BLUEberLEEZ

     
    Originally Posted by Blueberleez View Post

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    I'm not familiar with Pwnasaurus, but how unreasonable is this range?

    Pretty unreasonable to assume he's calling with stuff like 64s, 34s, K9s, A3s etc being only 40 bbs deep.
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 5:35pm) in reply to Zota15

    what a few others said, pwn is def 3betting aa or kk here...pots big enough already, hes aggro, and is def capable of 3betting light. i think its a set, flush draw(where i think around half the time its a weak ace, a3/4/5s) or just complete air. dont think i fold, i prob flat and plan to get it in on a lot of turns, re shove works too tho
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 5:35pm) in reply to Frank1The1Tank

     
    Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank View Post

    Pretty unreasonable to assume he's calling with stuff like 64s, 34s, K9s, A3s etc being only 40 bbs deep.

    I agree it could be something more towards pocket pairs and hands like KJs+ i just don't know how often he'll flat a full 3x raise here w/ this stack w/ a hand like 89s seems a bit spewy?
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 5:38pm) in reply to Whatshoulditbe

     
    Originally Posted by Whatshoulditbe View Post

    I agree it could be something more towards pocket pairs and hands like KJs+ i just don't know how often he'll flat a full 3x raise here w/ this stack w/ a hand like 89s seems a bit spewy?

    why?? i would do it a ton here, esp when a good reg flats from the cut off.

    nobody thinks ur flatting garbage here, and when you do, your looking to flop huge or get out, so its not like you gonna lose much more post flop with out a good amount of equity. plus from what it looks like by the two flats, the utg is prob a nit and is c/f all missed flops, and when cap fires from cut off, im def raising small/bluffing a lot, and any type of draw im getting it. 40 bbs is more than you think....
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 5:42pm) in reply to quietwinner

    yea i actually left out a whole lot of hands that are probably in his range if he plays like me lol

    really any two spades over a nine is possible. when u add those hands there are just too many hands TT is ahead of------i like getting it in on non-spade turns------his range is weighted so heavily toward a flush/combo draw
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 5:44pm) in reply to quietwinner

     
    Originally Posted by quietwinner View Post

    why?? i would do it a ton here, esp when a good reg flats from the cut off.

    nobody thinks ur flatting garbage here, and when you do, your looking to flop huge or get out, so its not like you gonna lose much more post flop with out a good amount of equity. plus from what it looks like by the two flats, the utg is prob a nit and is c/f all missed flops, and when cap fires from cut off, im def raising small/bluffing a lot, and any type of draw im getting it. 40 bbs is more than you think....

    I mean I agree somewhat. Nobody is flatting garbage here but its for a reason...because it wont be profitable. 98s isn't garbage though nor are a few other suited connectors in his range but hands like 64s and K9s just play so terribly postflop that it wont be profitable. But yeah agree with rest esp raising that flop w/ air quite a bit. I think it'd also be fair to say that hes only raising a set say 50% of the time but cant be positive here, might be 100% might be 0% its too player dependent.
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 5:44pm) in reply to quietwinner

     
    Originally Posted by quietwinner View Post

    why?? i would do it a ton here, esp when a good reg flats from the cut off.

    nobody thinks ur flatting garbage here, and when you do, your looking to flop huge or get out, so its not like you gonna lose much more post flop with out a good amount of equity. plus from what it looks like by the two flats, the utg is prob a nit and is c/f all missed flops, and when cap fires from cut off, im def raising small/bluffing a lot, and any type of draw im getting it. 40 bbs is more than you think....

    There is no doubt in my mind you can flat wider than not here. I just meant is it as wide as 64s, 34s etc?
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 5:55pm) in reply to Whatshoulditbe

    garbage is garbage. if your flatting 98s, you can def flat 23s
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 5:58pm) in reply to Frank1The1Tank

     
    Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank View Post

    98s isn't garbage though nor are a few other suited connectors in his range but hands like 64s and K9s just play so terribly postflop that it wont be profitable.

    i mean i guess 98s isnt garbage, but it comes down to your flopping big and stacking off someone who won't see it coming/get in with a big draw...or your gonna bluff when say the nit checks(who obv c/fs all day) and a solid reg opens from cut off. im literally never folding whatever i have there. id 20% set, 50% draw, and 30% its air
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 6:22pm) in reply to quietwinner

    Solid thread. I say PD is on the up and up lately as far as having actual good strategy threads goes.

    I would just fold in this spot, I have never played with the villian but the way I see it you are either barely ahead of a draw or dominated by a better overpair or set. He could be on a total bluff with air but I doubt that is the case very often.
     
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 6:37pm) in reply to quietwinner

     
    Originally Posted by quietwinner View Post

    i mean i guess 98s isnt garbage, but it comes down to your flopping big and stacking off someone who won't see it coming/get in with a big draw...or your gonna bluff when say the nit checks(who obv c/fs all day) and a solid reg opens from cut off. im literally never folding whatever i have there. id 20% set, 50% draw, and 30% its air

    yeah idk why i mentioned 89s earlier meant more of a hand like 35s etc. I see what you're saying

    edit: also totally misread op thought pwnsarus had 40bbs. yeah w/ his stack i can easily see a wide range from him
     
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