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  1. ibluffheaps ibluffheaps is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 4:25am)

    pokerstars Game #69892260220: Tournament #545011042, $150+$12 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2011/11/02 14:01:24 AEST [2011/11/01 23:01:24 ET]
    Table '545011042 11' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: thecheese01 (9750 in chips)
    Seat 2: lov10k (3000 in chips)
    Seat 3: mo0oleRR (12365 in chips)
    Seat 4: ibluffheaps (11220 in chips)
    Seat 5: bullseyes76 (8036 in chips)
    Seat 6: ErnestoF (5950 in chips)
    Seat 7: wineboxwilly (5475 in chips)
    Seat 8: Big_nat123 (4202 in chips)
    Seat 9: uaredead lol (12377 in chips)
    thecheese01: posts the ante 25
    lov10k: posts the ante 25
    mo0oleRR: posts the ante 25
    ibluffheaps: posts the ante 25
    bullseyes76: posts the ante 25
    ErnestoF: posts the ante 25
    wineboxwilly: posts the ante 25
    Big_nat123: posts the ante 25
    uaredead lol: posts the ante 25
    uaredead lol: posts small blind 150
    thecheese01: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ibluffheaps [Qh Qd]
    lov10k: folds
    mo0oleRR: raises 372 to 672
    ibluffheaps: calls 672
    bullseyes76: calls 672
    ErnestoF: folds
    wineboxwilly: folds
    Big_nat123: folds
    uaredead lol: calls 522
    thecheese01: folds
    *** FLOP *** [5s 2d 6d]
    uaredead lol: checks
    mo0oleRR: checks
    ibluffheaps: bets 1680
    bullseyes76: folds
    uaredead lol: raises 1680 to 3360
    mo0oleRR: folds
    ibluffheaps:

    He was playing 15 odd tables at the time, but I didnt have this info when i made my decision
    Edited By: ibluffheaps Nov 2nd, 2011 at 04:26 AM
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  2. Stormyweather25 Stormyweather25 is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 8:44am) in reply to ibluffheaps

    Can you elaborate on why you chose to flat QQ from EP with so many people to act behind you? I would think you'd be looking to iso and not play a multi-way pot with QQ oop.
    Edited By: Stormyweather25 Nov 2nd, 2011 at 08:47 AM
  3. xxCelticFCxx xxCelticFCxx is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 9:46am) in reply to Stormyweather25

    hes never raise folding ever so its a set or a fd .. calling from sb with a big multi way pot trying to set mine seems very believable also has to protect his hand somewhat on that board with a set by raising ... makes sense .. id prob lean towards a fold ... he could have like a 78 89dd types of hands also , even then u not a big fav ... factoring all that shit together i think u can fold and wait on a better spot

     
    Originally Posted by Stormyweather25 View Post

    Can you elaborate on why you chose to flat QQ from EP with so many people to act behind you? I would think you'd be looking to iso and not play a multi-way pot with QQ oop.

    i dont mind flat , also theres 3 stacks behind with less than 20 bbs that could easily shove and wont be flatting
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  4. djdoodoo djdoodoo is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 1:40pm) in reply to xxCelticFCxx

    Get it in, he could easily have a hand like 88 and think you're bluffing on a board like that. It's a great spot for him to check raise.
    Edited By: djdoodoo Nov 2nd, 2011 at 01:41 PM
  5. GutShotBen GutShotBen is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 2:31pm) in reply to djdoodoo

    i like the flat with QQ

    so since you underrep your hand like that,why dont go with it and jam?
     
  6. lemongello lemongello is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 2:43pm) in reply to xxCelticFCxx

    I get that if we go ahead and reraise here we tighten the shove range of those 3 stacks behind us, but if we are never folding to those shoves anyway, why not put in the raise here??
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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 2:52pm) in reply to lemongello

    to induce bluffs /disguised our hand
     
  8. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 3:41pm) in reply to GutShotBen

    idk i dont think twice about this and jamm. I mean we can almost always rule out KK and AA. So there are three hands beating us right now. A huge part of his range is gonna be draws. I mean yeah its a shitty spot to be in but one we must deal with if we elect not to raise pf. A smaller part of his calling range is gonna be over pairs.

    So I dont think we can only put him on sets here. Also if we dont think he's folding any of his draws anyway then perhaps we can flat his min raise and let him shove the turn for what would be just a bit less than a psb. And looking at his sizing on the click back Im guessing thats his plan.

    But I like just shoving the flop because i think that will be easier to get value from pairs we're beating in the event that bad card does come on the turn.
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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 4:48pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    Uaredeadlol has like 30k mtts played on stars and I've traditionally pegged him on the looser side. I've seen him make some plays that make me go wtf? I actually think he could raise/fold here and that he's capable of raise/calling a flush draw, but I have not played with him enough to be certain.
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  10. luckierno7 luckierno7 is offline

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    Nov 4th, 2011 (11/4/2011 3:17am) in reply to Scarypooper

    ya uredead is def lil crazy .. i m def not happy with the raise but i cant see myself folding.. i also think pairs like 99 are in his range
    i 3bet pre tho
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  11. Drewace34 Drewace34 is offline

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    Nov 4th, 2011 (11/4/2011 3:43am) in reply to luckierno7

    no history vs said villian, but sounds like he could be c/r/c with worse than QQ as much as hes jammin for value or semi bluffing. GL, not folding, but neither is he
     
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    Nov 4th, 2011 (11/4/2011 7:24am) in reply to Drewace34

    Frankly, Im not flatting very often in this spot with QQ- in fact hardly ever.... all it does is create hard spots as seen in this HH....

    That being said, im prolly shoving here - since your qq is ahead of most of his over pp and combo draws if however so slightly..... i would say he will show up with a set here like 1-5 times or so..... hopefully you have notes on his tendancies...
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  13. Cookymonster198 Cookymonster198 is offline

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    Nov 4th, 2011 (11/4/2011 8:55am) in reply to Scarypooper

     
    Originally Posted by Scarypooper View Post

    Uaredeadlol has like 30k mtts played on stars and I've traditionally pegged him on the looser side. I've seen him make some plays that make me go wtf? I actually think he could raise/fold here and that he's capable of raise/calling a flush draw, but I have not played with him enough to be certain.


    This, had him on my tables a few times and defo capable to do this on a draw, I'd jam.
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    Nov 4th, 2011 (11/4/2011 10:46am) in reply to Cookymonster198

    yep had him too and he s def loose and non common plays sometimes. still 3b pre and as played i d lean towards folding there he s either on a big combo draw or has alrdy 2 pairs or set I d muck
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    Nov 4th, 2011 (11/4/2011 11:01am) in reply to decamps

    isn't this exactly what we want to happen, you flatted pre and you should therefore be jamming after the event, else shove pre and isolate or take the pot there and then

    i would love this spot and shove it in and if by chance you are beat well move on to the next one
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    Nov 5th, 2011 (11/5/2011 5:00pm) in reply to norv

    I don't mind the flat at all Kris. Makes it difficult because your opponent is uaredead, but I don't think I could make a fold here vs him. Knowing how good you run too you can be quite sure to hit Q or runner runner Q.

    Shove flop for lol-factor tho.
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  17. Scarypooper Scarypooper is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2011 (11/5/2011 5:24pm) in reply to JIMMYKIMMEL

    The reason he flats pre is because most people don't balance their middle to early position ranges pre when there is an EP raise. Most people never range the bottom portion of their range here so a raise in this particular spot looks super strong and is almost always a really big hand, so by raising here he's putting his hand face up. In order to have a more disguised hand and balance his range, he flats. I flat here with almost 100% of my range unless there is someone who is extremely loose getting it in too light or I have a rediculous image. I think most people are just afraid to play big pots postflop when they might have to lay down big pairs or even the mighty AK.
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  18. gjallen1975 gjallen1975 is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2011 (11/5/2011 5:25pm) in reply to Scarypooper

    i don't like flatting the QQ there.

    -you are giving both short-stacks the pot odds to call. if i held a 68dd and had a min-raise and a flat before me, i would have the implied odds to call off two BB there trying to triple up (or better depending on what the other players do) at a critical stage of the tourney.

    -you are also inviting the SB and BB, both large, to call or 3b pre and rep the A or K that come off when your QQ and original raisers 99 don't set-up.

    -seems like you are deep enough to get some value here with your queens, unless you just prefer to set mine queens or bluff catch with them. maybe by flatting them pre flop, you under rep your hand and can get more value for them post flop, or get the short stacks to spazz their 88 when they would have folded it to a 3b, i dunno. picking up the blinds is important, and you already have one raiser to worry about, so i don't want to let the early raiser or the blinds in at a valuem plus if you 3b the small stacks could still spazz which is good. flatting takes a power pair and invites multiway pot OOP. pairs don't play well in multiways OOP you have two outs. interesting....
    Edited By: gjallen1975 Nov 5th, 2011 at 05:48 PM
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    Nov 5th, 2011 (11/5/2011 7:59pm) in reply to gjallen1975

    Flat pre is fine.

    On the flop it's really close. All comes down to if he raises calls stuff like JJ/TT/99 and how weak flush draws he raise/calls.

    43s, 56o even is in his range cuz he is really loose caller preflop so idk you still have 30bbs u can find a better spot and ive always thought of uaredead as loose passive preflop and passive postflop so that leans me into thinking it's a fold.

    So I fold.
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  20. RedIceRap RedIceRap is offline Moderator

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    Nov 5th, 2011 (11/5/2011 8:01pm) in reply to xxCelticFCxx

     
    Originally Posted by xxCelticFCxx View Post

    hes never raise folding ever so its a set or a fd .. calling from sb with a big multi way pot trying to set mine seems very believable also has to protect his hand somewhat on that board with a set by raising ... makes sense .. id prob lean towards a fold ... he could have like a 78 89dd types of hands also , even then u not a big fav ... factoring all that shit together i think u can fold and wait on a better spot

    i dont mind flat , also theres 3 stacks behind with less than 20 bbs that could easily shove and wont be flatting

    exactly this. if im not mass multitabling and have a feel for the table and the stacks i flat a lot pre here. vs uaredead i also lean towards folding here. i mean there are so many players in the pot, he wont bluff ever, yes he could have a draw, but ur not doing well vs the range he's representing. have to add: he does make bad decisions sometimes, so it's not imbossible he has a pair lower than QQ, but rather not.

    Edit: yeah just read that some of his plays are just wtf. agree. he's just an average player with some leaks who puts in sick volume to win the tlb. def a big grinder. the reason why it's fold here is: with so many players in the pot i think he has to expect someone holding at least an overpair. not as strong as QQ but he plays a lot of tables so that's a standard set mine or give up spot for him. with so many players in the hand he could just raise his 88 or whatever pre and if the OR folds the rest of the table will also fold a lot. even if not, a cbet will take it down most of the time. with low PPs this becomes much harder since u always be up against overcards on the flop, so if he ever has a range that doesn't beat QQ here that would be very unprofitable vs so many players.
    Edited By: RedIceRap Nov 5th, 2011 at 08:23 PM
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