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Stacking off early in SNGs with AK

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  1. gguk2008 gguk2008 is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 7:40am)

    Good or bad? And I presume it's better to be the raiser than the caller?

    It means you're putting in like 30-40BBs at a coinflip at best, but with a chance to make a huge stack ready to just kill the table.

    Better to wait for a spot with a made hand, or gamble early?
  2. thearthurdog thearthurdog is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 7:42am) in reply to gguk2008

    Depends on the player, buy in level etc.

    When I played a lot of micros I don't think I ever folded AK preflop.

    Maybe a leak? Dunno. Normally worked out okay.
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 7:53am) in reply to thearthurdog

     
    Originally Posted by thearthurdog View Post

    Depends on the player, buy in level etc.

    When I played a lot of micros I don't think I ever folded AK preflop.

    Maybe a leak? Dunno. Normally worked out okay.

    Sorry, yeah, obviously missed out important info. Micro levels against randoms without reads. I guess when they 3-bet shove a full stack their range is pretty much 99+, AQ+ and rarely ever KK or AA because they raise those for value.
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 8:15am) in reply to gguk2008

     
    Originally Posted by gguk2008 View Post

    Sorry, yeah, obviously missed out important info. Micro levels against randoms without reads. I guess when they 3-bet shove a full stack their range is pretty much 99+, AQ+ and rarely ever KK or AA because they raise those for value.

    Ding, Ding, Ding! You are correct sir :) :)
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 8:25am) in reply to gguk2008

    Micro levels yeah id never fold AK early in, id def prefer to be the aggressor and make them call my raise/all in . Its allways a coin flip but if it holds its nice to be table CL.
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 8:46am) in reply to armymedik1

     
    Originally Posted by armymedik1 View Post

    Micro levels yeah id never fold AK early in, id def prefer to be the aggressor and make them call my raise/all in . Its allways a coin flip but if it holds its nice to be table CL.

    Or else just load another up eh?

    Cheers guys. Clearly I knew the answers to these questions, it's just better to hear it confirmed by somebody else.
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 12:55pm) in reply to gguk2008

     
    Originally Posted by gguk2008 View Post

    It means you're putting in like 30-40BBs at a coinflip at best

    In micros AQ and AJ are also in your opponents range imo .....never fold
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 1:09pm) in reply to im a no namer

    I play the 20s and 30s and Im rarley folding AK pre unless its a know reg or someone I have super tight note on. Only 2 real hands have you crushed. If they have TT-QQ and you lose a flip no biggy fire up another one.

    In micros I would neeeeever fold AK pre.
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 5:02pm) in reply to RunLikeAChettah

    Yea AK I rarely fold Pre-Flop in the 10's and 20's my AIPF get called by as 44+ and A9+ so its important to keep notes on these types of players.
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 5:11pm) in reply to gguk2008

    I think your micro ranges are way too tight. So many players like to diarrhea away chips with JT and A7. The amount of times you are dominating/ahead/flipping vastly outnumber the times they wake up with aa or kk, easy spot to get it in.
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 6:16pm) in reply to BSherman2

    30 to 40 BB's is standard...But I still do it in tournies when I am 100 deep....spewtard
     
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 6:36pm) in reply to jeppg1111

    i only stack off with AK if its NOT a rebuy :)

    i also dont stack off with AK if im TILTING
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 6:42pm) in reply to BSherman2

    Agreed.
     
    Originally Posted by BSherman2 View Post

    I think your micro ranges are way too tight. So many players like to diarrhea away chips with JT and A7. The amount of times you are dominating/ahead/flipping vastly outnumber the times they wake up with aa or kk, easy spot to get it in.

    I'd only fold AK to a very good regs pf raise early in the game or possibly to a raise and reraise pf, otherwise I'm going with it.I've been called by far worse than J10,A7 too on a regular basis.( $6.50-$22's stt's and $16 18 player games)

    People are too quick to assign ranges similar to their own ( assuming they're a winning player) when most micro donks can barely tie their own shoelaces.
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 10:45pm) in reply to BSherman2

     
    Originally Posted by BSherman2 View Post

    I think your micro ranges are way too tight. So many players like to diarrhea away chips with JT and A7. The amount of times you are dominating/ahead/flipping vastly outnumber the times they wake up with aa or kk, easy spot to get it in.

    ^^ totally agree with this. Throw in any baby PP, SCs, Ax.
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